Climate Change/Mass Extinction Megathread

[HVC]

Such a shame all these people get co-opted by the racist grifters from all over the world. They should be lefties, ffs. We should be looking into how the left can help them get out of their debts & financials issues while preserving their way of life.

So many farmers of today thinks that the industrialized way is the only way.

It is if you want to be competitive. People are bitching about food prices now, but organic/free range/"ethical" foods cost more before Covid then regular stuff costs now. Market can sustain a few niche producers, and farmers market hippies, but not a whole industry unless you just cut out foreign trade

[Grey Fox]

Yes. That's a problem. We need government programs to help them transition adequately.

[HVC]

Yes. That's a problem. We need government programs to help them transition adequately.

Not sure how you can, with free trade, really. Schemes like Canada's dairy program is a way, but then food gets very expensive and who probably be challenged at the WTO level. Government subsidies at the consumer level would go against trade laws, I believe. I guess who could pay people not to produce, but there goes the way of life argument .  It's a tough situation.

[Jacob]

Luckily for the Netherlands they're unlikely to be impacted by global warming,...

[mongers]

Given the findings of the new UN climate report, are we now past the point of no return?

[Josquius]

Given the findings of the new UN climate report, are we now past the point of no return?

Define no return.
The world isn't getting colder again any time soon (bring out the solar shield swarm) and we do have to get more of a move on, but I remain optimistic the rate of change should  avoid the worst provided we can keep cunts out of power.

[The Brain]

Even if climate wasn't a problem getting rid of coal (for instance) would still be very important from a health perspective.

[crazy canuck]

Given the findings of the new UN climate report, are we now past the point of no return?

There are a range of potential outcomes depending on what we do in the short term.  The nightmarish outcome of 4.4 degrees by 2081-2100 if we keep doing what we are doing.  The say that it is more likely than not that we will now exceed 1.5 even if we go low GHG emissions now. But there is still a chance to keep around that level of warming into the future.  But time is running out.

They have a whole section of the risks of irreversible changes in section B.3 of the Summary.  It is well worth a read.

https://report.ipcc.ch/ar6syr/pdf/IPCC_AR6_SYR_SPM.pdf

[viper37]

Given the findings of the new UN climate report, are we now past the point of no return?

Not yet.  We can still burn coal a little more.

[crazy canuck]

Given the findings of the new UN climate report, are we now past the point of no return?

Not yet.  We can still burn coal a little more.

Not actually the findings.

[viper37]

Given the findings of the new UN climate report, are we now past the point of no return?

Not yet.  We can still burn coal a little more.

Not actually the findings.

I wasn't entirely serious.
We're not past the point of no return meaning we can still reverse it, but we can't really waste time.

Basically, we are fucked.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Basically, we are fucked.

Problem solved then.