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Started by Syt, November 17, 2015, 05:50:30 AM

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viper37

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 24, 2022, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2022, 09:07:56 PMWhat exactly is the point of COP27 and who's idea was it to light up the entire Nile Valley?

crippling the western countries, as always. By blackmail or guilttripping.
Crisis prevention costs less than crisis mitigation.  Since we did not prevent and we still do not intend to do anything about it...
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Crazy_Ivan80

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Quote from: viper37 on November 24, 2022, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 24, 2022, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2022, 09:07:56 PMWhat exactly is the point of COP27 and who's idea was it to light up the entire Nile Valley?

crippling the western countries, as always. By blackmail or guilttripping.
Crisis prevention costs less than crisis mitigation.  Since we did not prevent and we still do not intend to do anything about it...


The crisis is probably much smaller than the hysteria and doomsayers want you to think. And even then, the west cannot be the one to pay for all the others. The others need to take care of their own shit, while staying in their own countries.
Virtue signaling politicians, businesspeople and celebrities need to use their own money instead of public fund for their virtue signaling.

Josquius

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 25, 2022, 01:50:20 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 24, 2022, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 24, 2022, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2022, 09:07:56 PMWhat exactly is the point of COP27 and who's idea was it to light up the entire Nile Valley?

crippling the western countries, as always. By blackmail or guilttripping.
Crisis prevention costs less than crisis mitigation.  Since we did not prevent and we still do not intend to do anything about it...


The crisis is probably much smaller than the hysteria and doomsayers want you to think. And even then, the west cannot be the one to pay for all the others. The others need to take care of their own shit, while staying in their own countries.
Virtue signaling politicians, businesspeople and celebrities need to use their own money instead of public fund for their virtue signaling.

No.
The crisis is far greater than the nonchalance the "ex-deniers now forced to admit facts" want you to think.
Way too many read about sea levels rising a metre, look at their local beach, and realise that won't actually mean that much damage at all.... Look at the rise in average temperatures and just can't see an issue that they're now looking at 22 degree rather than 18 degree Septembers and no snow in winter. Completely neglecting that this is a global problem and as incidents live covid shows the slightest is shoves to the economy and society can have massive implications.

The west HAS TO pay for the others. This is like thinking having a bunch of roommates who you freely allow to shit wherever they want in the house is OK just because you use the toilet.

More action than virtue signalling would be very welcome. But this is a problem of a scale only governments can tackle.
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viper37

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 25, 2022, 01:50:20 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 24, 2022, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 24, 2022, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2022, 09:07:56 PMWhat exactly is the point of COP27 and who's idea was it to light up the entire Nile Valley?

crippling the western countries, as always. By blackmail or guilttripping.
Crisis prevention costs less than crisis mitigation.  Since we did not prevent and we still do not intend to do anything about it...


The crisis is probably much smaller than the hysteria and doomsayers want you to think. And even then, the west cannot be the one to pay for all the others. The others need to take care of their own shit, while staying in their own countries.
Virtue signaling politicians, businesspeople and celebrities need to use their own money instead of public fund for their virtue signaling.
Sure.  It's your neighbour dumping its garbage on your lawn and telling you to deal with it.

Or an industry that contaminates a city's water supply and let the citizen pay to decontaminate it while it rakes in the profit.

It is totally fair practice.  The people living with the consequences should deal with it and shut up.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Jacob

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 25, 2022, 01:50:20 AMThe crisis is probably much smaller than the hysteria and doomsayers want you to think.

How big do you think the crisis actually is?

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Jacob on November 25, 2022, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 25, 2022, 01:50:20 AMThe crisis is probably much smaller than the hysteria and doomsayers want you to think.

How big do you think the crisis actually is?
Not enough to lose any sleep over it.

Valmy

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 25, 2022, 01:50:20 AMThe crisis is probably much smaller than the hysteria and doomsayers want you to think. And even then, the west cannot be the one to pay for all the others. The others need to take care of their own shit, while staying in their own countries.

Well first lots of the heavy lifting in the new technologies we need has been done by the Chinese.

Second the crisis is smaller than what the doomsayers have said but only because of the considerable and heroic efforts that have been expended so far and why I anticipate we will overcome this crisis sometime in the next few decades. And far from paying for all the others, the West (and others) are creating new and innovative technologies in response that we will benefit from.

I don't get the "taking care of their own shit" idea since everybody's actions impact everybody else when it comes to climate change. You can take care of your own shit but it will make no difference at all if everybody else doesn't. That is the prisoners dilemma this situation can have on national governments.

But ultimately I think this is an engineering priorities issues. We make carbon emissions a priority and we will solve it...eventually. The only real question is how much damage will be done before then.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 29, 2022, 10:13:40 AMNot enough to lose any sleep over it.

Only because better humans are losing sleep over it and are getting off their asses to solve it, enabling the rest to just sit around passively. Like most of the big challenges humanity faces.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

mongers

We would have definitely flood here, if it wasn't for the £1 million of flood defences for just 10 houses that keep the river back and the groundwater in check, unlike nearly everyone in the 3rd world.

Our regions had an above average amount of rain this winter, but what tipped it into record equalling river levels was an intense rain storm coming up the channel Sunday/Monday, 12/13 days about, almost like monsoon rains.*

Which is why the next morning the river was way up and has only been declining by about 2cm a day since. That's a very slow rate of decline for even this chalk river, let alone other rivers with less advantageous geology and topography.


*I suggest it's reached a point with climate change, that us Brit need to come up with additional new  weather terminology to describe these non-drizzle/lt.rain events.
 
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