Why I've started to believe that religion is actively dangerous

[The Brain]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Not enough female virgins at Yasukuni to go around I think.

[grumbler]

Wait, are you actually saying that noone but religiously motivated people use suicide (terrorist) attacks? Because that's patently untrue - from Russian anarchists, to nazis and Japanese soldiers in WW2, to Tamil Tigers, to Kurds. While Chechens are Muslims, it is questionable whether many of their attacks against Russians were also religiously motivated.

Wait, are you saying you read my assertion as "no one has ever committed a suicidal attack except from 'religious motivation'?"  You need to re-read my statement, and then you will understand why your argument doesn't respond to mine.

[grumbler]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

[The Brain]

Yeah what the hell were you thinking, Yi?

[Martinus]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

I thought the suicidal element was relevant, not whether they were using a bomb. 

[The Brain]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

I thought the suicidal element was relevant, not whether they were using a bomb. 

wut

[grumbler]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

I thought the suicidal element was relevant, not whether they were using a bomb. 

And I thought we were discussing suicide bombers (who overwhelmingly target civilians in terrorist attacks) and not men trying desperately to defend their homelands at all costs.

The argument that no all suicidal behavior is undertaken with some assurance that one will be rewarded in an afterlife has not, insofar as I know, ever been made.

[garbon]

All suicidal behaviour is undertaken with some assurance that one will be rewarded in an afterlife.

[grumbler]

All suicidal behaviour is undertaken with some assurance that one will be rewarded in an afterlife.

There you go, Marti.  Have at it!

*pops popcorn*

[Martinus]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

I thought the suicidal element was relevant, not whether they were using a bomb. 

wut

Berkut and grumbler were arguing that people are more likely to be suicidal bombers if they are religious - surely the suicidal part is relevant to this argument, not whether they use bombs, knives or planes? 

[grumbler]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

I thought the suicidal element was relevant, not whether they were using a bomb. 

wut

Berkut and grumbler were arguing that people are more likely to be suicidal bombers if they are religious - surely the suicidal part is relevant to this argument, not whether they use bombs, knives or planes? 

Try reading what you are arguing against, rather than assuming you already know.  "Suicide bomber" has a specific meaning.  "Suicidal bombers" is a general term that could include Torpedo Eight at Midway, or 825 NAS during the Channel Dash, and they are a far different case than some Hamas guy blowing up a market.

[The Brain]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

I thought the suicidal element was relevant, not whether they were using a bomb. 

wut

Berkut and grumbler were arguing that people are more likely to be suicidal bombers if they are religious - surely the suicidal part is relevant to this argument, not whether they use bombs, knives or planes? 

AFAIK many kamikaze pilots used bombs.

[garbon]

Very easy to argue that kamikaze pilots had a religious aspect to their motivation.

Kamikaze attacks weren't suicide bombings.

Apparently, though obviously I didn't check the veracity, but saccording to wiki ome of the first uses in English of the term suicide bombings referred to kamikaze attacks.

[grumbler]

Apparently, though obviously I didn't check the veracity, but saccording to wiki ome of the first uses in English of the term suicide bombings referred to kamikaze attacks.

I just looked up "suicide bomber" on wikipedia, which redirected to "suicide attack."  the term "suicide bomber" is used 72 times in that article.  72 of those times, it refers to someone who straps on explosives and detonates them to kill other people.  Dunno where you are getting your info, but I have never, in any of the hundred or so books I have read that dealt with WW2 in the Pacific, seen the Kamikazes referred to as suicide bombers.   

[The Brain]

Is this happening?