Catalan 'independence declaration' to trigger showdown with Madrid

[Josquius]

Is Japan becoming less Japanese?

No, Japan doesn't even have the legal concept of 'immigration'. And it only took 13 refugees last year.

1: Japan is very big on encouraging immigration.
It is nothing compared to Europe of course but it does have a fairly substantial non-ethnic Japanese population which is growing.
2: The Japanese right would very much disagree with your idea that Japan isn't becoming less Japanese. Immigration is only a part of this however, far more important are old beliefs dying off, demographics changing in a fairly fucked up fashion, and an increasing Englishisation of the Japanese language.

I've seen Valmy say this nonsense in other threads and wonder how do you people get so indoctrinated as to actually believe this utter lie.

We open the door and get out of the house once in a while.
Nation states are a historic blip which lost their full relevance some time ago.

[The Brain]

I'm pretty sure the Chrysanthemum Throne Ambassador wasn't lying at the dinner party last week.

[Razgovory]

Pretty much every country MS named is a shithole.  In fact, we get a lot of immigrants from these countries, so the whole obviously not everyone in those countries is on board with the nationalism thing.

[Valmy]

Some people in the West feel guilty over their privileges, so they want to give them away.

I feel zero guilt. All I did was be born here.

I am just talking about a modern world with easy means of movement of peoples, economy, and ideas. I don't really see how nation states are going to survive that. Or really what purpose they serve.

[Alcibiades]

Effectively a unilateral declaration of independence, the resolution has already been condemned by the non-secessionist Catalan parties as a coup d'etat.

[Valmy]

Effectively a unilateral declaration of independence, the resolution has already been condemned by the non-secessionist Catalan parties as a coup d'etat.

What? They are seizing control of the government.

[jimmy olsen]

I've seen Valmy say this nonsense in other threads and wonder how do you people get so indoctrinated as to actually believe this utter lie.

Nation states are a lie and hopefully in time they will become a thing of the past.

Nope. No significant migration from other countres comes to Korea. Muss less refugees (the odd North Korean, being Korean, do not count. And most of those went to China)


Nothing else.

Maybe because the wealthiest and most powerful western state is the USA, and it is not a nation state.

There's a small but growing influx of foreigners here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea#Ethnic_groups

Anyways, Nation States are social constructs, they're not an immutable truth of the universe.

[Eddie Teach]

Mabe because the wealthiest and most powerful western state is the USA, and it is not a nation state.

[jimmy olsen]

Mabe because the wealthiest and most powerful western state is the USA, and it is not a nation state.

Are you ragging on my typos or are you claiming the US is a nation state?

[Eddie Teach]

The second. The term nation state does not require the state to be ethnically based.

[jimmy olsen]

The second. The term nation state does not require the state to be ethnically based.

That's specifically what the term nation, in nation state refers to.

[Ancient Demon]

Pretty much every country MS named is a shithole.  In fact, we get a lot of immigrants from these countries, so the whole obviously not everyone in those countries is on board with the nationalism thing.

Many immigrants are very nationalist about the countries they come from. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

[viper37]

The second. The term nation state does not require the state to be ethnically based.

That's specifically what the term nation, in nation state refers to.

A nation is a group of people sharing the same culture (usually, it goes with language too, since it's the basis for culture) living in the same area:
A nation, by comparison, is more impersonal, abstract, and overtly political than an ethnic group. It is a cultural-political community that has become conscious of its autonomy, unity, and particular interests.[2]
From Wikipedia.
Unless you want to prove that the US States have no cultural-political ties and are not conscious of their autonomy&unity, it is hard to imagine the US not being a nation.

Also:

According to Ford's National Question: "a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people;" "a nation is not a casual or ephemeral conglomeration, but a stable community of people"; "a nation is formed only as a result of lengthy and systematic intercourse, as a result of people living together generation after generation"; and, in its entirety: "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture."


The United States of America are a nation, but Europe is not  nation.  Europe may become a nation, eventually, but it ain't there yet.

[Valmy]

The second. The term nation state does not require the state to be ethnically based.

Ok then if it doesn't then please provide me with a term that does so we can discuss the same thing.

I was told that a 'nation' was a political expression of an ethnic group in this context.

[Tamas]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.