Routine Shootings at US Schools and Universities Megathread.

Started by mongers, October 23, 2015, 10:19:03 AM

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Valmy

I wonder if all those people who insisted Sandy Hook was done by Obama (clarification: there was no massacre at Sandy Hook and Obama invented it is the story) are still on that after all of this. Or maybe they just say Trump is in on it.
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Based on my discussions at the Regal Beagle I think gun nuts are edging to the position that something needs to be done to keep guns away from nutters.

Malthus

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 15, 2018, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 15, 2018, 08:54:09 AM
If widespread, unrestrained gun ownership makes people safer from their own government, there is very little evidence in the US situation for it.

Top 10 countries in guns per capita:
USA, Serbia, Yemen, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Uruguay, Norway, France, Canada.

Not sure what inference can be drawn from this.  It certainly doesn't make the case that gun ownership is a good hedge against government oppression. 

Incidentally North Korea and Japan happen to have the same exact level of gun ownership.

There is also this: not all guns ownership laws allow for the same things: in Canada, for example, long gun ownership (shotguns and rifles) is widespread, outside of major cities - but they are usually intended for hunting or target shooting; they are typically not the rapid-fire weapons used to kill people in large numbers, or the handguns used for self-defense (or murder); both are illegal here.

Quality as well as quantity is very significant, as is cultural expectations.

I myself have access to guns, I've even trained my young son in target-shooting and gun safety - but with a single-shot bolt action .22. Not the weapon likely to be useful in shooting up a school.
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mongers

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 15, 2018, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 15, 2018, 08:54:09 AM
If widespread, unrestrained gun ownership makes people safer from their own government, there is very little evidence in the US situation for it.

Top 10 countries in guns per capita:

USA (edging toward CW?),
Serbia (Had recent CW),
Yemen (In a CW),
Cyprus (Had CW and invasion <50 yrs),
Saudi Arabia (Exports CWs to keep populous happy),
Iraq (Had recent CW, recent Invasion, current insurgency),
Uruguay (minor urban revolt <50yrs),
Norway (Hunting, fishing, shooting paradise),
France (Had threat of CW <50 yrs, disastrous colonials 55-70 yrs ago),
Canada. (Hunting, fishing, shooting paradise, smugger version thereof)

Not sure what inference can be drawn from this.  It certainly doesn't make the case that gun ownership is a good hedge against government oppression. 

Incidentally North Korea and Japan happen to have the same exact level of gun ownership.

I annotated your post.  :)
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Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2018, 04:30:17 PM
I wonder if all those people who insisted Sandy Hook was done by Obama (clarification: there was no massacre at Sandy Hook and Obama invented it is the story) are still on that after all of this. Or maybe they just say Trump is in on it.


Nope.  It was a Dreamer-Muslim-Antifa thing.  I didn't make that up.  That was an actual claim being made.
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Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2018, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2018, 04:30:17 PM
I wonder if all those people who insisted Sandy Hook was done by Obama (clarification: there was no massacre at Sandy Hook and Obama invented it is the story) are still on that after all of this. Or maybe they just say Trump is in on it.


Nope.  It was a Dreamer-Muslim-Antifa thing.  I didn't make that up.  That was an actual claim being made.

Wasn't a similar narrative pushed by that regard at InfoWars?
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Quote from: Eddie Teach on February 14, 2018, 09:16:21 PM
That's not to say the US and Chinese systems are the only options, but... It does seem like Euros are more deferential to their governments and more amenable to restrictions on their liberty than we are.

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crazy canuck

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 15, 2018, 04:15:19 PM
Not sure what inference can be drawn from this. 

It is possible to have gun ownership without a high incidence of deaths caused by guns if gun ownership is appropriately regulated while high levels of gun ownership without appropriate regulation creates the opposite result.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Barrister on February 15, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
I don't remember doing lockdown drills as a kid.

Every month now in the public school system, mandatory throughout the state.  Because, you know, freedom.
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garbon

Quote from: Barrister on February 15, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
I was going to the dr's office this morning, so I took my kids to school.  On Thursdays my wife usually stays a few minutes to read with Timothy, so I did that.  I heard the school announcements.  They were doing a school lockdown drill.  Not a fire drill, where everyone files out of the building, but a lockdown drill, where everyone gets locked in their rooms.

I don't remember doing lockdown drills as a kid.

I did it as a teen. Code Black and Orange.
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We never had lockdown drills when I was a kid. Only fire drills.

Lots of things were different. It was just a more innocent or more naïve time - I once brought a crossbow in to grade 6 for show-and-tell; the teachers loved it, and the whole class trooped out to the yard for an officially encouraged shooting demo. Nowadays, a kid doing that would probably end up in handcuffs.  :lol:
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Malthus on February 16, 2018, 09:47:23 AM
We never had lockdown drills when I was a kid. Only fire drills.

Lots of things were different. It was just a more innocent or more naïve time - I once brought a crossbow in to grade 6 for show-and-tell; the teachers loved it, and the whole class trooped out to the yard for an officially encouraged shooting demo. Nowadays, a kid doing that would probably end up in handcuffs.  :lol:

The safety concerns we had when I was in elementary school was fire and what to do in case of a nuclear attack.  As a recall the answer to both was to form a line and calmly walk out to of the school to the playing field. :D

Grey Fox

Never had active shooter lockdown drills in School.

Our 1st one at work is planned for when springs return.
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PRC

Never had a lockdown drill.  Going to school on Vancouver Island the drills we did were fire, earthquake and I remember some volcano related activities after Mount St. Helens went off.