Hitler didn't want to kill Jews, says Netanyahu, blames Palestinian

[Syt]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world/middleeast/netanyahu-saying-palestinian-mufti-inspired-holocaust-draws-broad-criticism.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Netanyahu, Saying Palestinian Mufti Inspired Holocaust, Draws Broad Criticism

JERUSALEM — Israeli historians and opposition politicians on Wednesday joined Palestinians in denouncing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel for saying it was a Palestinian, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, who gave Hitler the idea of annihilating European Jews during World War II.

Mr. Netanyahu said in a speech to the Zionist Congress on Tuesday night that "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," according to a transcript provided by his office. The prime minister said that the mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, protested to Hitler that "they'll all come here," referring to Palestine.

" 'So what should I do with them?' " Mr. Netanyahu quoted Hitler as asking Mr. Husseini. "He said, 'Burn them.' "

Prof. Meir Litvak, a historian at Tel Aviv University, called the speech "a lie" and "a disgrace." Prof. Moshe Zimmermann, a specialist of German history at Hebrew University, said, "With this, Netanyahu joins a long line of people that we would call Holocaust deniers."

Isaac Herzog, leader of the opposition in the Israeli Parliament, said the accusation was "a dangerous historical distortion," and he demanded that Mr. Netanyahu "correct it immediately."

Even Moshe Yaalon, the defense minister and a senior member of Mr. Netanyahu's Likud Party, said in a radio interview that "history is actually very, very clear."

"Hitler initiated it," he said. "Haj Amin al-Husseini joined him."

The controversy came amid weeks of spiraling violence in which Mr. Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have repeatedly accused Palestinian leaders, including President Mahmoud Abbas, of lying, principally about Israel's actions at a contested holy site in the Old City.

Mr. Abbas was the subject of scrutiny last week when he falsely claimed that Israeli forces had executed a 13-year-old Palestinian who had attacked Israelis with a knife, when the youth was alive and being treated in an Israeli hospital.

Many Israelis have vilified Mr. Abbas as a Holocaust denier because of a book he wrote that challenged the number of Jewish victims and accused Zionists of collaborating with Nazis to propel more Jews to what would become Israel. When Mr. Abbas issued a formal statement last year calling the Holocaust "the most heinous crime to have occurred against humanity in the modern era," Mr. Netanyahu dismissed it.

Saeb Erekat, secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Organization, said on Wednesday that Mr. Netanyahu's "regrettable statements have deepened the divide" and denounced them as "morally indefensible and inflammatory."

"Mr. Netanyahu blamed the Palestinians for the Holocaust and completely absolved Adolf Hitler's heinous and reprehensible genocide of the Jewish people," Mr. Erekat said in a statement. "It is a sad day in history when the leader of the Israeli government hates his neighbor so much that he is willing to absolve the most notorious war criminal in history."

Mr. Netanyahu, who had also called the mufti "one of the leading architects of the Final Solution" in a 2012 speech, on Wednesday called the criticism of his remarks "absurd."

"I did not want to absolve Hitler from responsibility but to show that the father of the Palestinian nation wanted to destroy the Jews, also without there being territories, occupation, settlements," he said as he left Israel for Germany, where he was set to meet with Chancellor Angela Merkel. "Hitler is responsible for the destruction of European Jewry. Hitler is responsible for the Final Solution of the destruction of six million, and he made the decision. On the other hand, it is absurd to ignore Husseini's role."

Mr. Netanyahu, who is scheduled to meet Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday in Berlin to discuss ways of defusing the heightened violence, said he would demand that Mr. Abbas "stop the incitement that is the source of many attacks that we see here."

There is broad agreement that the mufti, who helped instigate Arab pogroms against Jews in the holy land in the 1920s, collaborated with the Nazis and promoted genocide over deportation of Europe's Jews as part of his virulent opposition to Zionism. He escaped prosecution in the Nuremberg trials and died in 1974.

Mark Regev, the prime minister's spokesman, referred reporters to Mr. Netanyahu's 1993 book, "A Place Among the Nations," which details the mufti's close ties to Nazis, protests of their plan to expel European Jews and support of the Final Solution, quoting from the Nuremberg trials of Nazi war criminals.

"The mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser" in the "execution of this plan," the book quotes Adolf Eichmann's deputy, Dieter Wisliceny, as having testified. "He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures."

But the book says that the mufti "met Hitler in person for the first time" on Nov. 28, 1941 — two months before the Final Solution was formalized and the construction of extermination camps accelerated, according to historians, but after the mass murder of Jews had begun, and roughly one million had perished.

Professor Zimmermann, the Hebrew University historian, said on Israel Radio that Mr. Netanyahu was "doing something he must not do," and that in "the protocol" of the 1941 meeting between the mufti and Hitler, "the text that Netanyahu speaks of does not appear."

"He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world," Professor Zimmermann said. "This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past."

Professor Litvak of Tel Aviv University said the speech was "the height of the distortion of history."

"Hitler did not need Husseini to convince him." he said on Army Radio. "Hitler spoke of the destruction of the Jews in his famous speech in 1939, in which he prophesied that if war will break out and the Jews started it, the result will be the destruction of the Jewish race. He repeated these declarations."

Stefan Ihrig, a German historian at the Van Leer Institute in Jerusalem and the author of "Ataturk in the Nazi Imagination," said that Mr. Netanyahu "is right in noting that there were connections between the grand mufti and the Nazis." But he added that "this cannot be used to shift blame away from the Nazis," and that it "does not provide us with new scapegoats."

"The logic and the path leading to Auschwitz was an entirely German and a Nazi one," Mr. Ihrig said. "The Nazis found a lot of inspiration in many past and contemporary events, and from contacts with lots of peoples. But it would be folly to assume that, actually, they needed these to go on their own genocidal path to begin with."

But Edy Cohen of Bar-Ilan University, an expert on Arab collaboration with the Nazis, said he supported Mr. Netanyahu's take on history, though he said it was impossible to precisely balance blame for the extermination idea.

"What I can surely say is that both men mutually inspired each other," Mr. Cohen said, adding that the mufti promoted plans to bring Jews from the Middle East to concentration camps in what was then mandatory Palestine. "One can't be in their heads and know who hated Jews more."

Tzachi Hanegbi, a Likud leader in Parliament who is close to Mr. Netanyahu, came to the prime minister's defense, telling Israel Radio, "He made no mistake."

The mufti, Mr. Hanegbi said, "also tried to ensure that when the Germans reached Israel, as he hoped they would, they would also destroy the Jews of Israel."

"There is no question that the prime minister did not erase, by an iota, Hitler's absolute responsibility for the destruction of six million of our people, including my family," he said. "But the role played by Haj Amin el-Husseini in the decision that led to the Final Solution also cannot be erased. And all the people who feel moved to defend Haj Amin el-Husseini today are the ones making a historic lie."

Correction: October 21, 2015
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article misstated part of the name of a book by Stefan Ihrig. It is "Ataturk in the Nazi Imagination," not "Ataturk and the Nazi Imagination."

[Valmy]

While the Grand Mufti and the Arabs certainly did some regrettable things during this period this takes it to crazy land. Pity Netanyahu is not some extremist we could laugh at.

[viper37]

Apparently, it's a unproven theory floating around, Bibi did not invent it, so I guess he's just half crazy.  Combined with Hamas and an Holocaust denier on the other side, we'll have a few more years of bloody massacre before something happens.

[Razgovory]

Apparently, it's a unproven theory floating around, Bibi did not invent it, so I guess he's just half crazy.  Combined with Hamas and an Holocaust denier on the other side, we'll have a few more years of bloody massacre before something happens.

There's lots of stupid theories that float around unproven.  They are unproven because they are wrong.  I'm a bit shocked that Netanyahu said this.  This weird even for him.

[Eddie Teach]

He is getting rather old, maybe it's dementia.

[Berkut]

He is clearly a level 3 thinker, and we just cannot understand his brilliance.

[Martinus]

Imagine what would be the reaction of the "civilized world" if a non-Israeli head of government said something similar. This rolls inciting ethnic hatred and Holocaust distortion into one.

[Razgovory]

Imagine what would be the reaction of the "civilized world" if a non-Israeli head of government said something similar. This rolls inciting ethnic hatred and Holocaust distortion into one.

Uh, that's what's happening here.

[Valmy]

Imagine what would be the reaction of the "civilized world" if a non-Israeli head of government said something similar. This rolls inciting ethnic hatred and Holocaust distortion into one.

Oh I keep forgetting how the entire world love Israel.

[Berkut]

Imagine what would be the reaction of the "civilized world" if a non-Israeli head of government said something similar.

Personally, I cannot imagine how anyone would react to such a thing.

[Jaron]

We MUST stand with Israel.

[Syt]

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/holocaust-israel-netanyahu-palestinians-jews/411703/?utm_source=SFFB

Germany Clarifies: We're Responsible for the Holocaust

[Eddie Teach]

We MUST stand with Israel.

Says the Native American Mormon. 

[Berkut]

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/holocaust-israel-netanyahu-palestinians-jews/411703/?utm_source=SFFB

Germany Clarifies: We’re Responsible for the Holocaust

All Germans know the history of the murderous race mania of the Nazis that led to the break with civilization that was the Holocaust.

This is taught in German schools for good reason, it must never be forgotten. And I see no reason to change our view of history in any way. We know that responsibility for this crime against humanity is German and very much our own.

My respect for the Germans just got bumped up a little bit.

[The Brain]

I wouldn't trust Germany on the Jew question.