Vatican sacks gay priest after highly public coming out

Started by Martinus, October 03, 2015, 11:59:58 AM

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Martinus

Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2015, 02:58:08 PM
Good riddance. Fucking hypocrite.

How is he a hypocrite if he is the one to come out publicly, while countless others hide it - and publicly condemn gay relationships?

Martinus

Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2015, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 03, 2015, 01:40:47 PM
I for one am shocked there have been gays at high levels in the Vatican.

Yeah. I can't wait for the guy to write a tell-all book.  :cool:

Oh yeah Marty those motives were not warranted at all.

Sometimes I wonder what side you are on.

The Brain

Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2015, 02:58:08 PM
Good riddance. Fucking hypocrite.

How is he a hypocrite if he is the one to come out publicly, while countless others hide it - and publicly condemn gay relationships?

He wasn't magicked into existence yesterday, dude. :lol:
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Martinus

Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2015, 02:58:08 PM
Good riddance. Fucking hypocrite.

How is he a hypocrite if he is the one to come out publicly, while countless others hide it - and publicly condemn gay relationships?

He wasn't magicked into existence yesterday, dude. :lol:

Yes, but at least to date he has been speaking out against homophobia and hate speech in the Catholic church.

The Brain

Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:07:16 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2015, 02:58:08 PM
Good riddance. Fucking hypocrite.

How is he a hypocrite if he is the one to come out publicly, while countless others hide it - and publicly condemn gay relationships?

He wasn't magicked into existence yesterday, dude. :lol:

Yes, but at least to date he has been speaking out against homophobia and hate speech in the Catholic church.

I don't give a flying fuck if he breaks his vows with men or women.
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Martinus

Ok let me spell it out for you.

1. There are countless bishops, cardinals and priests who break their vows with men or women.
2. This guy is the only one who came clean about it (and not by being outed by another person).
3. To date he has been speaking out against homophobia, chauvinism and hate speech in the Catholic church.

No. 2 and no. 3 make him much better (and much less a hypocrite) than countless others who fall into the group described under 1 but not under 2 and 3.

Martinus

And you are neither gay or Catholic, so I am not sure why you are even commenting. Maybe go post some jokes about beastiality and nuclear strikes?

The Brain

Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:10:48 PM
Ok let me spell it out for you.

1. There are countless bishops, cardinals and priests who break their vows with men or women.
2. This guy is the only one who came clean about it (and not by being outed by another person).
3. To date he has been speaking out against homophobia, chauvinism and hate speech in the Catholic church.

No. 2 and no. 3 make him much better (and much less a hypocrite) than countless others who fall into the group described under 1 but not under 2 and 3.

Others do it so it's OK for him to do it? OK, counsel.
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alfred russel

I went to catholic school. My biology teacher was a rather young and good looking priest that was into body building. He used to talk to us about gay rights and how discrimination against gays was wrong.

Then one day he was caught having sex with the pastor of my church by a maid. The pastor hit the maid in an attempt to intimidate her into staying quiet, but then she went to the cops.

My biology teacher was immediately transferred to another town and school. I never saw him after the incident, but I understand he was really upset about being transferred. I googled him a couple years ago--he is still a priest.
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The Brain

Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:12:10 PM
And you are neither gay or Catholic, so I am not sure why you are even commenting. Maybe go post some jokes about beastiality and nuclear strikes?

I don't particularly care for people who, when they found out that their employer was a pedophile ring, didn't quit their jobs. I've quit jobs for way less. Catholic priests are scum.
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tl;dr for this thread:

Martinus resorts to usual gay hysterics.

Martinus challenges Brain to step up the plate. Brain hits home run.

Martinus ragequits thread.
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Martinus

Quote from: alfred russel on October 03, 2015, 03:13:42 PM
I went to catholic school. My biology teacher was a rather young and good looking priest that was into body building. He used to talk to us about gay rights and how discrimination against gays was wrong.

Then one day he was caught having sex with the pastor of my church by a maid. The pastor hit the maid in an attempt to intimidate her into staying quiet, but then she went to the cops.

My biology teacher was immediately transferred to another town and school. I never saw him after the incident, but I understand he was really upset about being transferred. I googled him a couple years ago--he is still a priest.

According to some studies, up to 1/3 of Catholic priests are gay. The Catholic church needs to own up to it and change its stance on gays if it wants this situation to change - Catholicism is more cultural than most other Christian creeds, so most young gay Catholics consider becoming priests (I knew I did) because the religion does not offer them any other respectable choice.

The Brain

Why don't they get rid of this whole celebacy for priests thing? The Church got along fine for many centuries without it.
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Martinus

Quote from: The Brain on October 03, 2015, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:12:10 PM
And you are neither gay or Catholic, so I am not sure why you are even commenting. Maybe go post some jokes about beastiality and nuclear strikes?

I don't particularly care for people who, when they found out that their employer was a pedophile ring, didn't quit their jobs. I've quit jobs for way less. Catholic priests are scum.

Ok now I understand where you are coming from. I disagree but I understand. I think there is a reason why "lapsed Catholic" is considered something else from an agnostic or atheist - I think the pull of the organised religion is very strong for Catholics; I also think there are priests who stay in the Catholic Church out of good intentions.

I don't think the Catholic church is a pedophile ring - it is a very ambiguous and corrupt organisation but one that still does some good and has a lot of people in it who mean well.

Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2015, 03:05:34 PM
Sometimes I wonder what side you are on.

I just do not get why this guy is somebody to be celebrated. Sounds like an asshole. He took the opposite of a principled stand. I am not excited about the idea he could make a buck off of some book.
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