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[mongers]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

Where?

I can't find it or am I on mute also

[Jacob]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

Where?

I can't find it or am I on mute also

Top left of the screen where it has your user name. There's a little triangle for additional options. One of them is the ignore list.

[Sophie Scholl]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

That is so perfectly aligned with exactly what I was talking about - thanks!

I find you to be almost fully detrimental to my enjoyment of this community and will not miss your posts in the slightest. Enjoy your arrogance, your bigotry, and your general douchebaggery, I'll channel Depeche Mode and enjoy the silence. 

[crazy canuck]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

Where?

I can't find it or am I on mute also

Top left of the screen where it has your user name. There's a little triangle for additional options. One of them is the ignore list.

This is going to be a very interesting experiment.

[Berkut]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

That is so perfectly aligned with exactly what I was talking about - thanks!

I find you to be almost fully detrimental to my enjoyment of this community and will not miss your posts in the slightest. Enjoy your arrogance, your bigotry, and your general douchebaggery, I'll channel Depeche Mode and enjoy the silence. 

Can you cite an actual example of me being a bigot? That's an interesting accusation from someone who claims that just listening to different viewpoints make them ill.

As far as arrogance is concerned, I can live with the accusation, especially from people who claim they are oh so open minded that they have to actively avoid dissenting opinion and fly into a rage at the suggestion that not everyone believes exactly as they do.

Enjoy not having to argue with people who disagree with your humble, open, and so very non-douchebag manner of discussion. Because making a bunch of rather incredibly impolite personal attacks while storming away is definitely totally not arrogant or bigoted or being a douchebag at all.

PS: I don't even know who the hell you are, but....whatever?

[Berkut]

Well, that was a damn tragedy.

I do find it interesting how emotional the left gets about Harris though. The right hates him and disagrees with him and think he is a liberal dumbass intellectual elite asshole, but the left - omg the woke left, at least those who don't like him, just absolutely go bonkers over him. 

I think the fact that he is actually a progressive, left wing intellectual who rejects the craziness of the radical woke left is just absolutely infuriating in a very interesting way. His demand that you back up arguments with facts and data and his willingness to just follow data (and of course that doesn't mean he is right, or follows the data perfectly, or interprets the data correctly) is just absolutely beyond the pale for the uber left. 

I do like Sam Harris. And not because he represents my world view, but because he actually represents what I think is important in how to think and evaluate the world - with facts, data, and reason. I don't like him because he agrees with me in his conclusions, because sometimes I don't agree with him. I like him because he agrees with me on how one should argue honestly and with an attempt to actually understand the people we are talking to and a desire to actually reach some kind of practical way forward, rather then arguing from conclusions based on emotion and what we wish was true. Something sorely lacking in much of the radical left, and of course completely absent from basically all of the right entirely.

[mongers]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

Where?

I can't find it or am I on mute also

Top left of the screen where it has your user name. There's a little triangle for additional options. One of them is the ignore list.

Thanks Jacob, it's more because for some unknown reason both Hakakau and Grumbler are on it and I have to click on an unignore link to read every one of their posts.

[Valmy]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

That is so perfectly aligned with exactly what I was talking about - thanks!

I find you to be almost fully detrimental to my enjoyment of this community and will not miss your posts in the slightest. Enjoy your arrogance, your bigotry, and your general douchebaggery, I'll channel Depeche Mode and enjoy the silence. 

Berkut's bigotry? What the hell?

[Grey Fox]

Time to try out that new "mute user" feature! 
edit: Niiice!

That is so perfectly aligned with exactly what I was talking about - thanks!

I find you to be almost fully detrimental to my enjoyment of this community and will not miss your posts in the slightest. Enjoy your arrogance, your bigotry, and your general douchebaggery, I'll channel Depeche Mode and enjoy the silence. 

Berkut's bigotry? What the hell?

He likes Sam Harris. Sam Harris has opinions on the transgender community that aren't positive and inclusive.

[Valmy]

He likes Sam Harris. Sam Harris has opinions on the transgender community that aren't positive and inclusive.

Well I listen to all kinds of people with opinions different than mine.

What exactly is Sam Harris' opinion on Transgendered people? I honestly don't know.

[crazy canuck]

He likes Sam Harris. Sam Harris has opinions on the transgender community that aren't positive and inclusive.

Well I listen to all kinds of people with opinions different than mine.

What exactly is Sam Harris' opinion on Transgendered people? I honestly don't know.

You need to subscribe to listen to this particular person you disagree with.  So I am not sure why you would spend money to do that when you can just log onto Languish for free 

[Grey Fox]

He likes Sam Harris. Sam Harris has opinions on the transgender community that aren't positive and inclusive.

Well I listen to all kinds of people with opinions different than mine.

What exactly is Sam Harris' opinion on Transgendered people? I honestly don't know.

It's all 2nd hand information but he has apparently called them a conservative community that reinforces traditional gender roles.

[Berkut]

Sam Harris views on transgendered people are, so far as I can tell, basically in line with what you would expect any sane, progressive human being to have. They should be supported, concerns about bathrooms are stupid, etc., etc., etc.

He gets in trouble though because he isn't willing to follow it to any possible extreme. As an example, he called into question what exactly it means when a born male athlete transitions to female, and then goes out and absolutely crushes all competition in female sports, and doesn't just absolutely accept the attitude that that should be perfectly fine, and we should accept that without any question or discussion.

This, of course, is intolerable to the woke crowd, so he is "not positive and inclusive" even though the sum of his views are absolutely positive and inclusive. Just not absolutely so.

This actually sums up the entire problem of the ultra woke left with Harris. He is progressive, a complete lefty, and is supportive of basically every single progressive social view. But he isn't absolutely so, and is willing to actually discuss hard questions about what a progressive society should *actually* look like in practical matters. 

He is all for universal health care, but is willing to ask how it ought to be paid for in a rational manner, and under what circumstances it would not be entirely universal. OMG! Somone get a rope!

He thinks wealth inequality is a huge problem, but also recognizes that in fact overall economic conditions for most humans on the planet over the last 4 decades have improved immeasurably, and notes that we should probably make sure we maintain that broad success driven by global free markets. 

He despised the Clintons - I wonder if that is a good chunk of the hate for him? 

He also was no Bernie fan, and was quite comfortable noting that the guy is, after all, a self described socialist who was not a member of the Democratic Party, so why is anyone surprised the Democratic Party didn't try to help him get elected? So that REALLY pissed a lot of Bernie Bros left off, of course.

At the same time, Andrew Yang credited him with kick starting his Presidential campaign. So the idea that Harris is NOT a progressive is just ludicrous.

I don't agree with him on some things, but I agree with him on the importance of reason, thought, and honest communication and refusing to bow down to the cancel crowd on the left or the crazy fucking religious fundy/Trumpers on the right.

We need a lot more Sam Harris's in our public discourse.

[Berkut]

CNN actually just published an article that pretty fairly sums up the controversy:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33492251/lia-thomas-controversy-surrounds-ncaa-swimming-championships-incites-national-debate

WHEN IT COMES to disagreements about whether or not Thomas -- and other transgender women -- should be allowed to compete in the women's category, the question is often posed as one of fairness. But it is also about identity, sex and what the word "woman" means.

"There are two philosophies that are clashing right now," Hogshead-Makar said."One is an ideology of gender identity and the other one is the idea of science and biology. The ideology is trans women are women. For the most part, people were onboard for the idea that you want transgender people to be welcome in employment and public accommodations. But then there's the biology part of it when it comes to medical treatment, or women's sports. That ideology is not fact. It is not a fact that trans women are women."

The science of transgender athletes is an evolving space, but there are a few things that are known: testosterone is, on average, many times higher in those assigned male at birth compared to those assigned female at birth; testosterone confers physiological and metabolic advantages such as increased muscle mass, lung capacity, increased height, etc.; testosterone suppression effectively reduces levels in transgender women to be on par with those of cisgender women after approximately one year.

What is interesting here is that the objections  here are not about these debates. It is the insistence that even having the debate is conclusive proof that you are a bigot.

This is why the woke left is so fucked up today.

[DGuller]

Someone from NYT must've been reading this thread.  Today it published something that I would not expect from New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/opinion/cancel-culture-free-speech-poll.html

I particularly welcome the explicit distinction that they point out between First Amendment protections and actual freedom of speech.  My impression was that New York Times was solidly in the "freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" camp before, which is frankly downright Orwellian, so it's a good sign that they're waking up the danger.