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RIP Yogi Berra

Started by Syt, September 23, 2015, 06:48:17 AM

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Martinus

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2015, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 23, 2015, 10:09:28 PM
It must be confusing to Marty...crapping on people in their rip thread has been done on languish before. How would he know the guy who sued Yogi the Bear was respected and loved? Aside from reading the other posts in the thread, or a quick google, of course.
He didn't sue Yogi the Bear, he sued Warner Brothers, not exactly the same thing.

Ok, so he sued Yogi's parents.

grumbler

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2015, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 23, 2015, 10:09:28 PM
It must be confusing to Marty...crapping on people in their rip thread has been done on languish before. How would he know the guy who sued Yogi the Bear was respected and loved? Aside from reading the other posts in the thread, or a quick google, of course.
He didn't sue Yogi the Bear, he sued Warner Brothers, not exactly the same thing.

Only lawyers care about that sort of distinction.
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grumbler

Oh, and probably my favorite Yogi Berra story:  he was reminiscing to some newspaper reporters about a game which was interrupted by a streaker.  "Was it a man, or a woman?" asked the reporters.  "I couldn't tell," said Yogi, "they had a bag over their head."
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
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Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on September 23, 2015, 11:55:46 PM
Were they deliberately construed to be ironic/funny?

No, he was being quite earnest.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2015, 12:00:25 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 23, 2015, 10:09:28 PM
It must be confusing to Marty...crapping on people in their rip thread has been done on languish before. How would he know the guy who sued Yogi the Bear was respected and loved? Aside from reading the other posts in the thread, or a quick google, of course.

Well, all I said is that someone who sues Yogi the Bear sounds like a twat. I will take your word for it that outside of this one thing, he was a swell guy. But my point still stands - outside of North America, most people haven't heard of him.

Syt started the thread. And yeah he was a huge baseball star in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Not exactly an international sport and not exactly a time Poland was open to American culture.

I fail to see the relevance.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2015, 09:01:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 23, 2015, 11:55:46 PM
Were they deliberately construed to be ironic/funny?

No, he was being quite earnest.
Though it seems a lot of them were incorrectly attributed to him (but if you have someone so quotable that's bound to happen).
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2015, 12:06:00 AM
Ok, so he sued Yogi's parents.

People who sue giant media corporations for naming a product after you without your permission: twats? Anyway he dropped the lawsuit so your sweet little corporate giant came out of it ok Mart.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

grumbler

Quote from: Syt on September 24, 2015, 09:05:39 AM
Though it seems a lot of them were incorrectly attributed to him (but if you have someone so quotable that's bound to happen).

That's certainly true, but he also came up with the vast majority that i have seen attributed to him.  Of course, he knew what he was doing.  The saving grace was that he didn't make a big deal out of it, and pretended to not understand why people were laughing at his bon mots.  Plus, many of them were quite spontaneous and authentic; he didn't seem to spend any time trying to come up with them and then steer the conversation to where he could use them.  Quite a number came from press conferences where he didn't control the topic.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

crazy canuck

Quote from: grumbler on September 24, 2015, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2015, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 23, 2015, 10:09:28 PM
It must be confusing to Marty...crapping on people in their rip thread has been done on languish before. How would he know the guy who sued Yogi the Bear was respected and loved? Aside from reading the other posts in the thread, or a quick google, of course.
He didn't sue Yogi the Bear, he sued Warner Brothers, not exactly the same thing.

Only lawyers care about that sort of distinction.

:lol:

Very well done.

DGuller


crazy canuck

Quote from: Syt on September 24, 2015, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2015, 09:01:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 23, 2015, 11:55:46 PM
Were they deliberately construed to be ironic/funny?

No, he was being quite earnest.
Though it seems a lot of them were incorrectly attributed to him (but if you have someone so quotable that's bound to happen).

"I really didn't say everything I said"

Valmy



Fahdiz linked this on facebook  :lol:

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

KRonn

Quote from: grumbler on September 24, 2015, 06:13:52 AM
Oh, and probably my favorite Yogi Berra story:  he was reminiscing to some newspaper reporters about a game which was interrupted by a streaker.  "Was it a man, or a woman?" asked the reporters.  "I couldn't tell," said Yogi, "they had a bag over their head."

:lol:

The Minsky Moment

Warner claims the Yogi Bear lawsuit never happened; once again proving the dangers of over-reliance on Wikipedia.  That said, people of public prominence are well-advised to take some care about the use of their names for promotional and commercial purposes, and so a lawsuit in that circumstance would be perfectly natural and not reflect poorly on the person who brought it. 

Also I want to second grumbler's comments; some of obits and coverage may perpetrate the myth of Yogi as an linguistically challenged, uneducated rube.  Yogi's best friend, Joe Garigiola, eventually became a popular broadcaster and media personality, and loved to tell often highly embellished stories.  Garigiola, with the best of intentions, helped popularize the "funny" image of Berra and as grumblers says, Yogi was content to play along.  It's detracted from the reality of Yogi's successful career as a manager and captain of the most successful team in baseball history.  A number of articles commented on his ability to handle a pitching staff, but that IMO understates the matter.  The fact is that there was a long line of pitchers in that era that had success for the Yankees and not so much elsewhere.   That ability was well recognized at the time and commented on - which is why he won 3 MVP awards with competition like Mantle, Williams, Kaline.  But that aspect of Yogi the man gradually receded behind Yogi the stock character.
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