"There are 54 sharia law zones in Sweden" says Kaczynski

[Martinus]

So, there was a debate on immigration in the Polish Parliament yesterday and, of course, PiS is against. One of the "facts" used by the party leader, Kaczynski (who is pretty much certainly, absent of a miracle, set to win the parliamentary elections in October) to argue against Muslim immigrants was that we don't want to end up like Sweden where "there are already 54 areas where sharia law was imposed".

The Swedish embassy has already issued a dementi but I am just wondering what the hell is he talking about. I assume they have not just pulled that number out of their asses completely and it must be some misrepresentation/distortion of reality - so my question is what exactly they are distorting?

[Liep]

It's something the right wing use here as well. Supposedly there are ghettos in Malmø where Swedish law doesn't apply because there are so many Muslim and no where near enough police to enforce it.

As in, Jews will be harassed and gays will be beaten, etc. Whether or not it's true I don't know.

[Syt]

I checked the other night because someone claimed that Malmö is going to hell and is an example for what Europe will become. Turns out the percentage of migrant population there is lower than in Vienna, and crime reports (a few highly publicized reports on specific incidents notwithstanding) are not that bad, either.

[Martinus]

Here these claims are taken as truth not just by right wing racists, but also by moderate people. For example I had a discussion recently with my Polish boss (who is generally a very open minded, well travelled woman) who thought that the reports about the likes of Malmo and Birmingham being essentially exterritorial caliphates are all true.

I think the non-loony side is definitely doing a bad job debunking this shit.

[Valmy]

Imposed by whom? I think everybody is alright with certain parts of Islamic Law being enforced through free contracts.

[Caliga]

People are still listening to what the Unabomber says?  Neat.

[Syt]

In a German city, a few young men put on bright yellow vests saying, "Sharia Police," trying to dissuade young people from indulging in sinful activities (drinking, dancing ...).

They were arrested and put in court for impersonating police officers IIRC.

[The Brain]

I think the number 54 comes from a police report about the number of areas in Sweden where cops and firemen will have to expect being attacked if they enter. Sharia Law seems to be a later addition by the nut brigade.

[Razgovory]

Imposed by whom? I think everybody is alright with certain parts of Islamic Law being enforced through free contracts.

Yeah, I think they are using the free contract thing and tricking people into thinking immigrants are imposing criminal law.

[11B4V]

Is it Sharia or Sharia Law, which is the correct usage?

[Duque de Bragança]

I think the number 54 comes from a police report about the number of areas in Sweden where cops and firemen will have to expect being attacked if they enter.

Malmö the Marseille of the North.

[Malthus]

Imposed by whom? I think everybody is alright with certain parts of Islamic Law being enforced through free contracts.

Yeah, I think they are using the free contract thing and tricking people into thinking immigrants are imposing criminal law.

This definitely was the case in Ontario, when that wearisome argument/theme broke out.

The problem with debunking that shit is that it requires a lengthy explaination about the nature of arbitration, dead boring and complex for most folks. So much harder and more tedious than simply bleating about "Sharia law taking over!!!!!"

[Darth Wagtaros]

Is it Sharia or Sharia Law, which is the correct usage?

Sharia I had thought.  Isn't calling it Sharia Law redundant?

[11B4V]

Is it Sharia or Sharia Law, which is the correct usage?

Sharia I had thought.  Isn't calling it Sharia Law redundant?

That's what I thought.

[Zanza]

I think Sharia is more than what we consider law as there is no single clear written codex, but it's rather a method how Islamic scholars derive legal opinions, rules and precedents.