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Started by Syt, August 13, 2015, 07:40:26 AM

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frunk

Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 10:02:37 AM
I don't think so. Technology can not solve everything but this is one problem I think it is uniquely suited for. There is no other road to comfortable human existence with the planet that I can see.

It theoretically can solve this, I'm just saying it isn't right now.

lustindarkness

Nukes from orbit would lower the population.
Grand Duke of Lurkdom

Eddie Teach

Or a biological agent which causes infertility being placed in the water of third world countries. I heard the CIA is already testing this in Pakistan.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

celedhring

How come Malthus hasn't posted in this thread yet?  :hmm:

The Brain

QuoteThe problem is psychological

Thank God. We'll walk it off.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Razgovory

Quote from: frunk on August 13, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 10:02:37 AM
I don't think so. Technology can not solve everything but this is one problem I think it is uniquely suited for. There is no other road to comfortable human existence with the planet that I can see.

It theoretically can solve this, I'm just saying it isn't right now.

How can you tell?  Technology has changed quite a bit since 1989.  I mean computers are almost twice as fast!
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

frunk

Quote from: Razgovory on August 13, 2015, 10:24:22 PM
How can you tell?  Technology has changed quite a bit since 1989.  I mean computers are almost twice as fast!

Globally we use more oil, gas, coal, wood and many other resources than we did in 1989.  Even if we are more efficient in our usage we are using a lot more of all of them around the world.

Monoriu

I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

Estimate the amount of energy each provides at current tech levels, then how much energy is used.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Monoriu

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 13, 2015, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

Estimate the amount of energy each provides at current tech levels, then how much energy is used.

What about fish and crops?

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

They're only looking at renewable resources, like fish and trees.

Siege

Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 07:42:04 AM
Renewable energy. 3-D printing food. That will take care of it. SCIENCE!

This!

Luddites deserve the rope.
Condemning all the rest of us to scarcity.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Siege



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Eddie Teach

Quote from: Siege on August 14, 2015, 01:12:38 AM
Luddites deserve the rope.
Condemning all the rest of us to scarcity.

How are they doing that? By pointing out that we may be doing the same to our grandchildren?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

Quote from: frunk on August 13, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 13, 2015, 10:24:22 PM
How can you tell?  Technology has changed quite a bit since 1989.  I mean computers are almost twice as fast!

Globally we use more oil, gas, coal, wood and many other resources than we did in 1989.  Even if we are more efficient in our usage we are using a lot more of all of them around the world.

Oil, gas, and coal don't come back for millions of years so I don't think those are added.  Or if they are it doesn't make sense.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017