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Piketty: Germany Has Never Paid Its Debts

Started by Martinus, July 09, 2015, 06:21:03 AM

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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 09, 2015, 03:37:19 PM
Shitting rainbows is more rational than buying Greek bonds.  :P

You guys keep forgetting the private bondholders got bought out.   :contract:
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Iormlund

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 09, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
In other words, the customers should have stopped showing up at Greek bond auctions 100% of GDP ago. Why did they keep coming?

Because there was an implicit guarantee via Stability and Growth Pact.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2015, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 11:54:23 AM
Sure.  But the US doesn't exactly champion an international coalition every time one country invades another does it  ;)

Because that would be insane. I mean we may not the smartest people around but nobody is that stupid.

:hmm:

So we should have created a massive coalition and forced the issue when Russia invaded Georgia?

Please leave McCain out of this!

Martinus

Quote from: Iormlund on July 09, 2015, 11:00:04 AM
Heh. Tough talk from a country that, despite having complete material superiority, hasn't managed to win a war in two generations.

Germany on the other hand has been so succesful in winning wars. :P

crazy canuck

Quote from: Martinus on July 09, 2015, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on July 09, 2015, 11:00:04 AM
Heh. Tough talk from a country that, despite having complete material superiority, hasn't managed to win a war in two generations.

Germany on the other hand has been so succesful in winning wars. :P

You are forgetting the qualifier about having complete material superiority  ;)

Besides, it has always done quite well against Poland.

Valmy

Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
You are forgetting the qualifier about having complete material superiority  ;)

Very expensive material though. We are not made of money.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

crazy canuck

Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2015, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
You are forgetting the qualifier about having complete material superiority  ;)

Very expensive material though. We are not made of money.

Was it less expensive for the Germans?

Valmy

#68
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2015, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
You are forgetting the qualifier about having complete material superiority  ;)

Very expensive material though. We are not made of money.

Was it less expensive for the Germans?

700 billion dollars for the Iraq War...let's see that is about 40 billion dollars in 1940.

Could Germany have afforded to spend that on some marginal conflict thousands of miles from Germany few people in Germany gave a shit about? No? That is what I thought.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

The Minsky Moment

The US military performed pretty well in those wars, the problem was more the decision to fight the wars in the first place.  Eg the goal in GW2 was to unseat Saddam.  You can question the mission but it was accomplished.

The US lost in Vietnam, and the end result is now Vietnam is a key US ally in Southeast Asia.   Something for the hawks to reflect about re Iran.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Iormlund

I thought the goal of GW2 was to spread freedom and democracy around.

The Minsky Moment

There is democracy in Iraq, for better or worse.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Zanza

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 09, 2015, 08:00:44 PM
There is democracy in Iraq, for better or worse.
Isn't half of it a caliphate by now?

Valmy

Quote from: Zanza on July 10, 2015, 05:59:16 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 09, 2015, 08:00:44 PM
There is democracy in Iraq, for better or worse.
Isn't half of it a caliphate by now?

That is kind of a result of that actually. Democracy meant two Shias and one Sunni were voting on what was the true religion. The Sunnis found their allies.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

crazy canuck

Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2015, 06:25:52 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2015, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
You are forgetting the qualifier about having complete material superiority  ;)

Very expensive material though. We are not made of money.

Was it less expensive for the Germans?

700 billion dollars for the Iraq War...let's see that is about 40 billion dollars in 1940.

Could Germany have afforded to spend that on some marginal conflict thousands of miles from Germany few people in Germany gave a shit about? No? That is what I thought.

What are you on about?  Go back and look at the claim I was responding to.