First Collective Quarterly Loss in Recorded History for S&P 500

Started by The Minsky Moment, March 16, 2009, 12:26:55 PM

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ed7e49fe-1191-11de-87b1-0000779fd2ac.html#

If you can access the full article through the link, click on the graphic on the top right corner - it is one of the most scary charts I have seen so far.

A good piece of this is being driven by a few big financials, but still it is an earnings catastrophe without recent precedent.  Over $20/share.

And this is just the 4Q numbers from last year.  The next couple quarters aren't exactly exciting much optimism either.
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I've been assured by a friend that the reason this didn't happen earlier is Bush' massive military spending for the Iraq war, and Obama's cutting the military is driving us into a major depression.  At the same time she says that all fascist movements need a war to get their start and the re-expanding war in Afghanistan is how OBama is going to eventually seize power as a liberal socialist dictator.
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Grallon

I said before I wanted to see the US humbled - it's starting to look that way.  :-\





G.
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Neil

Quote from: Grallon on March 16, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
I said before I wanted to see the US humbled - it's starting to look that way.  :-\
Yeah right.  If everyone takes a huge beating, that isn't very humbling, because they still remain as top dog.
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Quote from: Grallon on March 16, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
I said before I wanted to see the US humbled - it's starting to look that way.  :-\


That is so astoundingly stupid.

As if this recession is somehow limited to the US, or that it hurts the US more than others, or even that it is somehow the fault of the US.

Incredible how ignorant and bigoted some people can be.
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Grallon

"Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."

~Jean-François Revel

citizen k

Quote from: Grallon on March 16, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
I said before I wanted to see the US humbled - it's starting to look that way.  :-\


G.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090316/ap_on_bi_ge/bernanke60_minutes;_ylt=At6__6r8yKbDIEwNiOV5l9qyBhIF
Bernanke says recession could end in 2009By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP                      

WASHINGTON – America's recession "probably" will end this year if the government succeeds in bolstering the banking system, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Sunday in a rare television interview.
In carefully hedged remarks in a taped interview with CBS' "60 Minutes," Bernanke seemed to express a bit more optimism that this could be done.
Still, Bernanke stressed — as he did to Congress last month — that the prospects for the recession ending this year and a recovery taking root next year hinge on a difficult task: getting banks to lend more freely again and getting the financial markets to work more normally.
"We've seen some progress in the financial markets, absolutely," Bernanke said. "But until we get that stabilized and working normally, we're not going to see recovery.

"But we do have a plan. We're working on it. And, I do think that we will get it stabilized, and we'll see the recession coming to an end probably this year."
Even if the recession, which began in December 2007, ends this year, the unemployment rate will keep climbing past the current quarter-century high of 8.1 percent, Bernanke said.
A growing number of economists think the jobless rate will hit 10 percent by the end of this year.
Asked about the biggest potential dangers now, Bernanke suggested a lack of "political will" to solve the financial crisis.
He said, though, that the United States has averted the risk of plunging into a depression.
"I think we've gotten past that," he said.
It's rare for a sitting Fed chief to grant an interview, whether for broadcast or print. Bernanke said he chose to do so because it's an "extraordinary time" for the country, and it gave him a chance to speak directly to the American public. (A transcript of the interview was provided in advance of the broadcast.)
Bernanke spoke at a time of rising public anger over financial bailouts using taxpayer money. Battling the worst financial crisis since the 1930s, the government has put hundreds of billions of those dollars at risk to prop up troubled institutions and stabilize the banking system.
Institutions that have been thrown lifelines include American International Group Inc., Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp., mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and others.
Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill have questioned the effectiveness of the rescue efforts and have demanded more information about how taxpayers' money is being used.
Bernanke's TV interview seemed to be part of a government public relations offensive. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner appeared on PBS' "The Charlie Rose Show" last week, discussing the financial crisis and the Obama's administration's relief efforts.
The Fed chief on Sunday's broadcast repeated his ire over the AIG bailout, saying that over the past 18 months, that was the case that angered him the most. He says he "slammed the phone more than a few times on discussing AIG."
The government's four efforts to save the troubled insurance giant total more than $170 billion. A collapse of AIG would have wreaked havoc on the global economy, the Fed has said.
AIG ignited fresh outrage over the weekend with news that it's making $165 million in bonus payments to executives on Sunday, most of them in the unit that sold risky financial contracts that caused huge losses for AIG.
When the financial crisis intensified last fall, Bernanke and President George W. Bush's Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson rushed to Capitol Hill for help. That led to the swift enactment of a $700 billion bailout package in October. Since then, banks have received billions in capital injections in return for government ownership stakes in them.
Looking back, Bernanke said the world came close to a financial meltdown. Asked how close, Bernanke responded: "It was very close."
Bernanke admitted that the Fed could have done a better job of overseeing banks. Critics say lax regulatory oversight contributed to the crisis.
Bernanke said he believes all the big banks the Fed regulates are solvent. Big banks won't fail under his watch, Bernanke said — though, if necessary, the government should try to "wind it down in a safe way."

DGuller

Quote from: Grallon on March 16, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
I said before I wanted to see the US humbled - it's starting to look that way.  :-\

G.
If anything, it looks like the rest of the world is being humbled.  US manages to come out least bad, even though it was the one that got the ball rolling.

MadImmortalMan

From what I've seen, this thing is hurting the US less than it's hurting others.
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DGuller

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 16, 2009, 12:58:25 PM
From what I've seen, this thing is hurting the US less than it's hurting others.
Yep, thanks to the "dollar bubble", and the fact that established economies are usually less vulnerable to economic slowdowns.

Darth Wagtaros

PDH!

DGuller

In fact, if you believe that the world economy really is a zero-sum game, then this recession is actually a very good thing for us.  Maybe the Wall Street bankers really do deserve their bonuses.

The Minsky Moment

If Bernanke says the recession is going to end then we have nothing to worry about.

Everyone knows Fed Chairmen are never wrong.

Oh wait.
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