The Off Topic Topic

[Eddie Teach]

Malek's performance wasn't worthy.

Gaga lost Best Actress but won for best song. Thoughts, Bravo?

[Syt]

Goes to show once again - if you want an Oscar, better star in a big budget bio-pic.

EDIT: I was making this as a snide remark, and then looked at the Oscars for best actor in recent years ... damn.

Freddie Mercury, Winston Churchill, Hugh Glass, Stephen Hawking, Ron Woodroof, Lincoln, King George VI, Harvey Milk, Idi Amin, Truman Capote, Ray Charles, Władysław Szpilman .. those are from the 2000s

[Liep]

Anyone watching the oscars?

Nope, but did just watch Colman's acceptance speech, brilliant!

[garbon]

Of course, Colman was probably the least enjoyable of the 3 in that film.

[The Larch]

Slightly surprised that Green Book won both Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay, given its issues.

[celedhring]

Slightly surprised that Green Book won both Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay, given its issues.

Interesting, what are those? I found the pic bland and formulaic, but wasn't aware there was controversy.

[garbon]

Slightly surprised that Green Book won both Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay, given its issues.

Interesting, what are those? I found the pic bland and formulaic, but wasn't aware there was controversy.

Here you go: https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london/film/green-book-oscars-2019-best-picture-controversial-a4075631.html

Though I think I liked this one better: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/01/220609/green-book-movie-controversy-racism-don-shirley-family-story

[Eddie Teach]

Dang, I've seen the trailer several times and didn't have a clue that was Aragorn.

[Malthus]

You need to stop making up new religions Beeb.

I think there was even a EU2 event about the Ukrainian Catholic union.  It goes back to the treaty of Brest in 1596.  It's a weird fusion of orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Ukrainian.  It's the dominant religion in western Ukraine (L'viv), and of course because of the diaspora there are many Ukrainian Catholic churches in the West.

My wife's family is Ukrainian Catholic. They do indeed have married priests, but they face discrimination if they are married - they cannot rise in the Church hierarchy. Otherwise I suppose there could be a married Pope! 

[The Larch]

You need to stop making up new religions Beeb.

I think there was even a EU2 event about the Ukrainian Catholic union.  It goes back to the treaty of Brest in 1596.  It's a weird fusion of orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Ukrainian.  It's the dominant religion in western Ukraine (L'viv), and of course because of the diaspora there are many Ukrainian Catholic churches in the West.

My wife's family is Ukrainian Catholic. They do indeed have married priests, but they face discrimination if they are married - they cannot rise in the Church hierarchy. Otherwise I suppose there could be a married Pope! 

Isn't that like in Eastern Orthodox churches? Regular priests can be married, but higher ranks are supposed to be celibate?

[Malthus]

Isn't that like in Eastern Orthodox churches? Regular priests can be married, but higher ranks are supposed to be celibate?

Yup, very similar.

The whole celibacy thing is odd enough, but restricting it to those ambitious for high rank at least makes a kind of sense - for the same reasons the Turks and Chinese staffed their bureaucracies with eunuchs (no family dynasties to entrench themselves). Although this doesn't stop nepotism in favour of nephews and illegitimate kids ... 

[The Larch]

Isn't that like in Eastern Orthodox churches? Regular priests can be married, but higher ranks are supposed to be celibate?

Yup, very similar.

The whole celibacy thing is odd enough, but restricting it to those ambitious for high rank at least makes a kind of sense - for the same reasons the Turks and Chinese staffed their bureaucracies with eunuchs (no family dynasties to entrench themselves).

And Byzantines. Coincidence? 

In Catholicism celibacy in priests was only formalized in the middle ages, AFAIK. Until then it was only specifically for higher ranks as well, and mostly customary for the rest of the priesthood.

[Malthus]

And Byzantines. Coincidence? 

In Catholicism celibacy in priests was only formalized in the middle ages, AFAIK. Until then it was only specifically for higher ranks as well, and mostly customary for the rest of the priesthood.

Heh I knew I was missing one important example! 

It remains an oddity though that one group of Catholic priests can marry, while another cannot. The historical reasons for this make sense, but the theology of it is a bit wonky. 

[celedhring]

Slightly surprised that Green Book won both Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay, given its issues.

Interesting, what are those? I found the pic bland and formulaic, but wasn't aware there was controversy.

Here you go: https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london/film/green-book-oscars-2019-best-picture-controversial-a4075631.html

Though I think I liked this one better: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/01/220609/green-book-movie-controversy-racism-don-shirley-family-story

I see, thanks! Didn't know they ignored Shirley's family.

My biggest qualm on the film is that is an uncomplicated feelgood view of a really complicated era, and this might have worked 20 years ago but fortunately we're in a different place now.

[The Larch]

And Byzantines. Coincidence? 

In Catholicism celibacy in priests was only formalized in the middle ages, AFAIK. Until then it was only specifically for higher ranks as well, and mostly customary for the rest of the priesthood.

Heh I knew I was missing one important example! 

Haha, in this case it was a pretty glaring omission. 

It remains an oddity though that one group of Catholic priests can marry, while another cannot. The historical reasons for this make sense, but the theology of it is a bit wonky. 

Because there's no real theological point to it, it's just an arbitrary church ruling.