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Quote from: garbon on October 01, 2022, 09:37:41 AMThat is really cool.

I did think it really cool when I thought it was one colour grid, but it's several different ones and the individual colours just 'bleed' into the surrounding B&W object, so just cool. :-)
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I don't think we have a specific thread for Brazil, so I'm putting this here:

QuoteBrazil election: ex-president Lula to face Bolsonaro in runoff
Brazilians will go to the polls again after former president won the first vote but failed to secure a majority over the incumbent

Brazil's acrimonious presidential race will go to a second round after the former president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva failed to secure the overall majority he needed to avoid a runoff with the far-right incumbent, Jair Bolsonaro.

With more than 99.5% of votes counted the leftist veteran had secured 48.3% of the vote, not enough to avoid the 30 October show down with his rightwing rival. Bolsonaro, who significantly out-performed pollsters' predictions and will be buoyed by the result, received 43.3%.

Addressing the media at a hotel in central São Paulo, Lula, who was president from 2003 until 2010, struck a defiant tone, declaring: "The struggle continues until our final victory.

We are going to win these elections – this for us is simply extra time," vowed Lula, who was barred from the 2018 election in which Bolsonaro was elected, on corruption charges that were later overturned.

Speaking on the eve of the election Lula said he was hopeful of a first-round win but would redouble his efforts to reclaim power if a second round was needed.

"I feel great hope that this election will be decided tomorrow, but if it isn't we'll have to behave like a football team when a match goes to extra time. We'll rest for 15 minutes and then we'll get back out on to the pitch to score the goals we didn't score in normal time," he told reporters.

Gleisi Hoffmann, the president of Lula's Workers' party, told reporters the campaign was neither "sad or downcast" at the result and pointed to Lula's more than 56m votes.

"Congratulations, president Lula, for your victory," she declared.

But the election result was a major blow to progressive Brazilians who had been rooting for an emphatic victory over Bolsonaro, a former army captain who has repeatedly attacked the country's democratic institutions and vandalised Brazil's international reputation.

Bolsonaro is also accused of wreaking havoc on the environment and catastrophically mishandling a Covid epidemic that killed nearly 700,000 Brazilians, by undermining vaccination and containment efforts and peddling quack cures.

Speaking on Sunday night, Bolsonaro promised to devote more time to convincing the poorest sectors of society they will be better off under a far-right government than a leftist one.

The far-right leader said: "I understand there were a lot of votes (cast) because of the condition of the Brazilian people, who feel prices increases, especially basic products. I understand that a lot of people desire change but some changes can be for the worst."

"We tried to show this other side in the campaign but it seems like it didn't register with the most important layers of society."

He once again said Brazil must avoid following neighbouring nations such as Chile and Colombia who recently elected leftist leaders but he pointedly refused to answer questions about possible voter fraud, after spending months casting aspersions on the security of the electronic voting machines.

Bolsonaro has hinted he will not leave office if defeated, raising concerns of a Trump-like insurrection among his supporters if Lula wins.

Prominent Bolsonaristas were elected to Brazil's congress and as state governors, including Bolsonaro's former health minister, Eduardo Pazuello, who became a congressman for Rio, and his former environment minister Ricardo Salles.

Pazuello was Bolsonaro's health minister during the height of the pandemic that led to more than 685,000 deaths in Brazil. A former military general, he promoted quack cures such as hydroxychloroquine.

Salles, meanwhile, was the environment minister who presided over a sharp rise in Amazonian deforestation. A federal police investigation accused the far-right ideologue of making it difficult for environmental crimes to be investigated. A separate inquiry said he was linked to illegal logging exports. He denied all the charges.

Rio's Bolsonaro-supporting governor, Cláudio Castro, was re-elected while one of Bolsonaro's most controversial former ministers, the evangelical preacher Damares Alves, claimed a place in the senate.

Tarcísio de Freitas, Bolsonaro's candidate for the governorship of São Paulo, also performed better than pollsters predicted and will face Lula ally Fernando Haddad in a second round.

"The far-right will be thrilled," said the political scientist Christian Lynch.

Thiago Amparo, an academic and columnist for the Folha de São Paulo newspaper, said the right's stronger-than-forecast showing showed Bolsonaro and Bolsonarismo were "alive and kicking".

"There was a feeling among the left that Lula had a chance to win in the first round ... the results show that it was wishful thinking to imagine the election would serve as a way to punish Bolsonaro for his disastrous policies during the pandemic."

"I feel exhausted," Amparo added. "But the results show we do not have the time to rest now. It is time to go out on to the streets ... otherwise we are going to have a very dark future again."

"I think Bolsonaro has the momentum," said Thomas Traumann, a Rio de Janeiro-based political observer, although he believed Lula was still the favourite. "It's a very disappointing night for the left."

There was determination from Lula and his allies as the rightwing successes and the need for a second round became clear.

"I think this is a chance that the Brazilian people are giving me," said Lula before heading to a celebration with his supporters on São Paulo's Paulista avenue. "The campaign begins tomorrow."

In Rio de Janeiro's city centre, a massive crowd of people, mostly clad in red, drank beer and danced samba as they awaited the final tally to appear on a screen overlooking the square.

But the jubilant mood dampened when results showed Lula still nearly 2% shy of the majority he needed to avoid a runoff duel with Bolsonaro.

"I'm disappointed," said Kharine Gil, a 23-year-old university student. "Because we saw that Bolsonaro is stronger than we thought he was."

Elaine Azevedo, a 34-year-old security systems worker, looked defeated as she stared up at the towering screen showing the results.

"I feel despair, pure despair," said Azevedo, who was clad in red from head to toe and sported a hat with Lula's name on it. "We all thought Lula would win easily."

But at a neighbourhood bar about a block away, Eudacio Queiroz Alves, a 65-year-old retired driver, was celebrating.

"We expected this," he said. "The people are with Bolsonaro. I'm confident that he will win."

Josquius

Sad news from Brazil. Fingers crossed things work out.
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alfred russel

Quote from: Josquius on October 03, 2022, 06:47:56 AMSad news from Brazil. Fingers crossed things work out.

Without a major development in the next four weeks, Lula will win. Lula was just 1.7% from an outright majority in the first round. Without people switching their votes from Lula to Bolsonaro, Bolsonaro needs to get 80% of the third candidate vote to win...and that is assuming that disaffected third candidate voters don't stay home. If any do (as they will), Bolsonaro's percentage is even higher.
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Barrister

Poor Brazil.

Lula is not an improvement over Bolsonaro.
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Habbaku

Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2022, 10:10:47 AMPoor Brazil.

Lula is not an improvement over Bolsonaro.

 :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:
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Josquius

From all I've heard Lula was actually a pretty decent president.
Bolsarno is a threat to the entire world holding the Amazon hostage.
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Barrister

Quote from: Habbaku on October 03, 2022, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2022, 10:10:47 AMPoor Brazil.

Lula is not an improvement over Bolsonaro.

 :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

Your eyes are going to fall right out of your head if you keep doing that.

I'm no expert on Brazilian politics, but I do follow them more closely than many other countries due to my sister-in-law and my nieces.

Replacing Bolsonaro with a 76 year old who was convicted of corruption is not an improvement.  My saying so is not an endorsement of Bolsonaro.
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Habbaku

It is an improvement and I seriously question how closely you actually follow Brazilian politics if you think Bolsonaro and Lula are remotely equal in how terrible they are.

Lula is corrupt to varying degrees.

Bolso wants to start a civil war and end democracy in Brazil.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

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mongers

Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2022, 10:10:47 AMPoor Brazil.

Lula is not an improvement over Bolsonaro.

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Quote from: Habbaku on October 03, 2022, 10:47:28 AMIt is an improvement and I seriously question how closely you actually follow Brazilian politics if you think Bolsonaro and Lula are remotely equal in how terrible they are.

Lula is corrupt to varying degrees.

Bolso wants to start a civil war and end democracy in Brazil.

It's less bad than having the unhinged (Mi)jair (did not much for the economy despite or due to having a Chicago boy as economy minister save a consensual pension reform) but Lula abroad follows the so-called anti-imperialist Pro-Putin trend so don't expect wonders.
Corruption is another issue and no the amazonian forest won't be saved.
Assuming the world economy recovers and he and/or his party does not greedy some social money could find the way to the proles.

Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2022, 10:10:47 AMPoor Brazil.

Lula is not an improvement over Bolsonaro.

The fact that he probably is an improvement says more about Bolsonaro than it does Lula who, as you point out, is terrible.
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alfred russel

What is fairly interesting from Brazil is it is another case of a polling miss in a major election. Sort of like in the last US election, the expected blowout didn't happen but the favorite still won (or likely will win), but it is something else to shake confidence in polling.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014