The Off Topic Topic

[mongers]

Sometimes stereotypes hold true.
Some German friends stayed over last night.
....
And I've just realised they ate all my sausages.

Thoroughly cleam the pink end and try not to abrade it for several days.

[Josquius]

Except that one of course.
Sadly.
I expected someone to say that but you Mongers? sheesh.

[Admiral Yi]

Did you wake up with any shit on your chest? 

[Martinus]

this state chose to draw the line at the womb. baby inside the womb = not murder. baby outside the womb = murder. in the latter, the baby has "entered the world" and is developed enough to survive for a short time away from the mother. he has experienced the world (albeit briefly and in no material way). calling it murder makes sense to me, and it's something both sides in the abortion debate can agree on.

not really.

[Martinus]

Sometimes stereotypes hold true.
Some German friends stayed over last night.
....
And I've just realised they ate all my sausages.

It would be more German if they ate you.

[Josquius]

Something I recently noticed is super fucking offensive from an over thinking CS POV but normal people won't notice:

I sometimes typo ? as >, what with shift + two keys next to each other being the difference.

Am I implying I see them as little more than computer programs?

    HOW ARE YOU >
 
     IF DRUNK GO TO PUB>

[Eddie Teach]

     IF DRUNK GO TO PUB>

Sounds like the beginning of an infinite loop...

[Admiral Yi]

heh

[Razgovory]

this state chose to draw the line at the womb. baby inside the womb = not murder. baby outside the womb = murder. in the latter, the baby has "entered the world" and is developed enough to survive for a short time away from the mother. he has experienced the world (albeit briefly and in no material way). calling it murder makes sense to me, and it's something both sides in the abortion debate can agree on.

not really.

You only consider killing gays murder.

[LaCroix]

not really.

can.

it's a compromise that doesn't really hurt anyone, except this crazed chick.

[Valmy]

Personally I don't see much difference between killing a fetus and then taking it out and vice versa.

Well clearly the line has to be drawn someplace yes? This one seems reasonable to me.

[Valmy]

So the whole "was it a baby murder" debate sounds like unnecessary abortion semantics issue.

Why is it semantics? I mean unless all law is "semantics". I guess it is but it is very necessary to make these sorts of definitions.

When does it become "baby murder" to you?

[Ideologue]

As completely beside the point as it is to argue about it in this case, Martinus is right that the "birth" threshold for personhood is a completely spurious one.

[Valmy]

As completely beside the point as it is to argue about it in this case, Martinus is right that the "birth" threshold for personhood is a completely spurious one.

By necessity. But yeah this is no more of an abortion than ISIS is performing brain surgery when they decapitate somebody.

[Ideologue]

As completely beside the point as it is to argue about it in this case, Martinus is right that the "birth" threshold for personhood is a completely spurious one.

By necessity. But yeah this is no more of an abortion than ISIS is performing brain surgery when they decapitate somebody.

In this case it strikes me as mainly an excuse for the death penalty (or life imprisonment, I guess); but there's no reason why batteries like this one shouldn't be punished with the death penalty even without a pregnant victim at all.  That said, you could make a solid argument that a non-state actor intentionally and maliciously destroying someone's pregnancy without their consent should be worth the death penalty without any special pleading that the fetus is a human.  The victim is.  That's enough.

If the prosecutor wants to use an existing law to achieve that result, that's cool with me.