EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Liep]

How do you share them out? Refugees don't want to go to any old country.

It's the refugees that are stuck in Greece, Italy, and have run out of money or something. It has nothing to do with refugees coming to Sweden, they'll stay there don't worry.

[Syt]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/23/refugee-crisis-eu-summit-amid-resentment-over-quota-deal-live-updates#block-56027019e4b0da121189da0a

Hungary's anti immigration prime minister Viktor Orbán is not in Brussels for the summit. He's visiting Bavaria instead.

He is holding talks with the prime minister of Bavaria Horst Seehofer, who praised Hungary's tough stance on immigration over the weekend. Germany could not have gained control over the refugee situation if Orbán had not decided to close his country's borders, Seehofer told the German all-news channel N24. "We will be thankful for what Orbán does", he said.

Hungary has indicated it will reluctantly accept Europe's decision on quota, but questioned the feasibility of the plan. Zoltán Kovács, a government spokesman, said: "We believe it will be impossible to keep people assigned to, say, Slovakia if they want to go to Germany. How do you keep people in one country if they want to go join their relatives who live in another EU country or want the more favourable social welfare benefits in that country?"

Orbán was greeted with protesters.

[Zanza]

Bavaria

[Syt]

Well, the CSU are contrarian on principle, but under Seehofer they seem to have become more insane than before (it doesn't help that Seehofer often contradicts himself and his views/demands on a regular basis).

[Tamas]

Its funny that Orban is the hero of the anti-migrant crowd in Europe: Just last weekend Hungary sent 12 000 migrants to Austria in cooperation with Croatia.

Croatia, BTW, holds around 44 000 of them still, this is the amount they have received since Hungary closed the Serbian border. So, what, 5 days?


Speaking of the border-closing, when there was that incident at the border crossing with the rioting and police brutality and all, later in western Hungary the anti-terror police (they are more like SWAT, really) arrested a Syrian guy who was accused of instigating the riot then using it to sneak in to Hungary.

First the authorities were laughed at because they pointed out his "islamist leanings" due to his membership in some kind of huge international Islamic organisation.

But it seems they have found 7 different passports with the guy, ALL of them having valid Schengen visas. So I guess something had to be fishy wit him, if he had to convince families to assault a line of riot police just so he can sneak in.

[Duque de Bragança]

Well, the CSU are contrarian on principle, but under Seehofer they seem to have become more insane than before (it doesn't help that Seehofer often contradicts himself and his views/demands on a regular basis).

Do you mean Seehofer often flips flops à la Merkel?

[Jaron]

KC4?

[Valmy]

Not surprising those nation states, which have worked so long to purify themselves, are not enthusiastic about becoming multi-national societies. But what can you do?

[Syt]

http://www.thelocal.de/20150923/orban-visit-sparks-outrage-in-bavaria

Orban blasts Merkel over 'moral imperialism'

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on Wednesday rejected what he called German Chancellor Angela Merkel's "moral imperialism" as he outlined his own rival plan to tackle Europe's migrant crisis.

When asked what he expected from Merkel while Europe grapples with an influx of asylum-seekers, the hardline leader grinned: "I have a long list."

Orban accused Merkel of trying to impose her vision of an open EU on the rest of the bloc.

"The most important thing is that there should be no moral imperialism," he said during a visit to the southern German state of Bavaria.

Orban, speaking ahead of an EU summit in Brussels later Wednesday, said his country had a "democratic right" to a different approach.

The summit takes place amid a growing east-west split within the bloc after ministers forced through a controversial deal Tuesday to share out 120,000 refugees.

"I don't doubt Germany's right to define its moral obligations for itself. They can decide if they accept every refugee or not... (but) that should only be compulsory for them," Orban said.

"We are Hungarians however, we cannot think with German minds. Hungary should have the right to control the impact of a mass migration," he said.

"The Hungarian people don't want this, we ask that the wishes of Hungarians be respected."

Orban revived recent proposals in what he called a six-point plan toresolve the crisis.

They included persuading Greece, one of the EU countries on the front lines of the migrant influx, to hand over control of its borders to EU countries willing to help police them, as well as separating asylum-seekers from "economic migrants" before they reach the passport-free Schengen zone.

Global contingents

Orban said he would also press fellow EU leaders to agree on a common list of safe countries of origin to which migrants can be returned, and to pitch in one percent of their EU income and their EU contributions to an emergency fund.

He urged the bloc to work closely with key non-EU countries playing a key role in the crisis such as Russia and Turkey, and the creation of a global system of migrant "contingents" for countries to take in.

Overriding opposition from eastern European states, including Hungary, interior ministers approved plans Tuesday that require countries to take their share of the hundreds of thousands of migrants who have overwhelmed states such as Greece and Italy.

The deal was widely seen as a victory for Berlin in the German media, just as Germany expects up to one million asylum-seekers this year and has been clamouring for a "fair" distribution of migrants throughout the bloc.

In response to the influx, Hungary has closed its border with Serbia and introduced draconian laws to punish those crossing into the country illegally.

Orban said Wednesday that he would only consider voluntary measures to accept asylum-seekers.

"Quotas and contingents are two different things. We reject the former, but are ready to discuss the latter," he said.

Orban was invited to Germany by one of the most vocal critics of Merkel's migrant policies within her conservative bloc, Bavarian premier Horst Seehofer.

Auschwitz survivors' anger

Orban's appearance at Bavaria's governing Christian Social Union (CSU) conference has provoked outrage over his harsh policies towards refugees and his whitewashing of his country's fascist past.

Christoph Heubner, vice-President of the International Auschwitz Committee, made up of survivors of the Nazi death camp in occupied Poland, said on Wednesday that it was "an absurd and scandalous signal that the red carpet is now being rolled out for [Orban] in Bavaria."

Orban had tried to revise history by rehabilitating anti-Semitic politicians from Hungary's past who shared responsibility for the deportations of Hungarian Jews, Heubner said.

Hungarian Jews were the largest single group among the 1.1 million people killed in the extermination camp at Auschwitz.

"Viktor Orban has led Hungarian society far to the right. Around him march strongly anti-semitic groups," Heubner added.

"What does the CSU want to learn from Orban? How one holds off refugees in need of protection and fleeing civil war with tear gas, truncheons and water cannon?" asked Markus Rinderspacher, leader of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) group in the Bavarian state parliament.

Orban has come in for criticism from EU partners for building a fence on his country's border with Serbia - a move aimed to keep refugees out - and for saying that Muslim migrants threaten Europe's Christian identity.

"We should be strongly confronting Orban, we can't fawn over him," said Green party leader in the Bundestag (German parliament) Anton Hofreiter, himself a native of Bavaria.

Politicians weren't the only ones criticizing the CSU – Angela Merkel's strongly conservative allies from the southern powerhouse state – for its decision to invite the Hungarian leader.

[Valmy]

I forgot when Germany invaded and forced Hungary to join the EU after a bloody conquest.

[Syt]

[Valmy]

That is Austria. He is accusing Merkel not...whomever is in charge in Austria.

[Syt]

Uhm, no: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

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[Valmy]

Uhm, no: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

Ah I thought that was the war over Hungary after the death of Albert. It looked too fancy for the 10th century

Probably just means I learned all my history from EU2.

Anyway I note that Otto I failed to get Hungary into the Holy Roman Empire.