Edmonton Police officer murdered

[Malthus]

Big Union Jack? 

[Barrister]

Big Union Jack? 

Cst. Woodall was from the UK, served with the Manchester Police before being recruited to come to Edmonton.

[dps]

More details about the incident:

Woodall, 35, was one of eight officers sent to a west Edmonton home to serve Raddatz with an arrest warrant on a charge of criminal harassment.

The officers had no reason to believe there was any threat when they went to the house, Knecht said.

Is it normal to send out that many officers to serve a warrant if they're not expecting trouble? 

Or, put another way, when the first 3 officers called for backup, aren't they expecting (or already experiencing) trouble at that point?

[Valmy]

Big Union Jack? 

Viper just had a heart attack.

[Barrister]

More details about the incident:

Woodall, 35, was one of eight officers sent to a west Edmonton home to serve Raddatz with an arrest warrant on a charge of criminal harassment.

The officers had no reason to believe there was any threat when they went to the house, Knecht said.

Is it normal to send out that many officers to serve a warrant if they're not expecting trouble? 

Or, put another way, when the first 3 officers called for backup, aren't they expecting (or already experiencing) trouble at that point?

I wouldn't say they were expecting no trouble.  They were.  The guy was squatting in his now-foreclosed house.

It's just they weren't expecting shots to be fired.

[Martinus]

Wait, so this started with an attempt to arrest an online troll?

To quote Ron Burgundy, "that escalated quickly". 

[Barrister]

Wait, so this started with an attempt to arrest an online troll?

To quote Ron Burgundy, "that escalated quickly". 

It wasn't just online.  The victim was someone he knew.  He apparently was friends with the victim till he discovered he was Jewish.

This isn't the article I was thinking of, but it shows you the kind of filth that murdered Cst. Woodall.

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/police-shooting-suspect-norman-raddatz-s-extremist-views-1.2418324

Besides, in hindsight, the guy was rapidly collapsing.  He lost his wife in divorce, his house had been foreclosed on, he was being arrested by police...

[Malthus]

Big Union Jack? 

Cst. Woodall was from the UK, served with the Manchester Police before being recruited to come to Edmonton.

Ah, okay. Makes sense. 

[Malthus]

Wait, so this started with an attempt to arrest an online troll?

To quote Ron Burgundy, "that escalated quickly". 

It wasn't just online.  The victim was someone he knew.  He apparently was friends with the victim till he discovered he was Jewish.

This isn't the article I was thinking of, but it shows you the kind of filth that murdered Cst. Woodall.

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/police-shooting-suspect-norman-raddatz-s-extremist-views-1.2418324

Besides, in hindsight, the guy was rapidly collapsing.  He lost his wife in divorce, his house had been foreclosed on, he was being arrested by police...

Great. A Jew-hater *and* one of those "freemen-on-the-land" nutters.

[Valmy]

Insane white anti-government libertarian white dude? Shocking. I mean this is an obvious profile for mass murderers and cop killers. How many have not been that guy? They pretty much have all been since the Boston Marathon thing.

[The Minsky Moment]

Why do traffic offenses go to an admiralty court?

[Valmy]

Why do traffic offenses go to an admiralty court?

I thought that was just the insane rantings of a madman. That it was not a fair court because it was run to raise funds for corporations or something.

[Barrister]

Why do traffic offenses go to an admiralty court?

They don't of course.

While EPS has stated they didn't consider Raddatz to be a "Freeman on the land", the admiralty court bit is right out of the freeman play book.  They argue that the court is an "admiralty court" which therefore doesn't have jurisdiction over them.

Here's a typical argument:

[270]      Mr. Meads at one point pursued this approach in his oral arguments. He demanded to know the meaning and significance of the Royal Coat of Arms of Canada attached to the back of the courtroom, behind the bench. Once I translated the Latin motto "A Mari usque ad Mare", "from sea to sea", Mr. Meads declared it meant the Alberta Court of Queen's Bench was an admiralty court which had no jurisdiction over himself. Mr. Meads was in one sense correct; this court can potentially address admiralty law matters, subject to legislation that assigns that jurisdiction to the Federal Court (Zavarovalna Skupnost, (Insurance Community Triglav Ltd.) v. Terrasses Jewellers Inc., 1983 CanLII 138 (SCC), [1983] 1 S.C.R. 283, 54 N.R. 321; Federal Courts Act, R.S.C. 1985, c F‑7, s. 22). Admittedly landlocked as Alberta is, litigation of that kind is not exactly a common occurrence. Mr. Meads is, however, manifestly mistaken if he thinks that is the sole jurisdiction of the Alberta Court of Queen's Bench.

If you ever have way too much time on your hands, and are curious about freeman rhetoric, in the Meads case Justice Rooke undertook what is probably the definitive categorizing and debunking of what he calls Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Argument litigants.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html

[The Minsky Moment]

Oh yeah we have something like that here too but the specifics differ a bit.  IIRC Wesley Snipes fell into that crowd hence his tax problems.

[Barrister]

Oh yeah we have something like that here too but the specifics differ a bit.  IIRC Wesley Snipes fell into that crowd hence his tax problems.

Yeah, there are numerous strains of this kind of thinking (all of which is outlined in the Meads case I linked to).  There's various "gurus" who peddle their pseudolegal rhetoric to gullible people who think it works (and of course it never does).