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Jade Helm, the far right's conspiracy du jour.

Started by citizen k, April 30, 2015, 01:56:48 AM

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grumbler

Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2015, 03:18:26 PM
Seeb, there used to be a time when you walked with people.  Now all you do is talk at them.

Cut him some slack.  He actually spelled all the words right in that post.  Gotta be the first time he's done that in three years, so he might not be posting as part of his shtick.
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Syt



QuoteYou listen to me, and you listen good! I am gonna kill every member of your family! I'm gonna hunt them down like the animals they are, and I'm gonna skin em' alive! They are going to feel the pain and suffering of every last victim! They're gonna crawl on on their hands and knees, and they're gonna beg me for mercy! But all I'm gonna have for them is pain! Pain and death!
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Darth Wagtaros

Quote from: Siege on April 30, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
Languish don't longer have the pulse of the country.
There is a lot of people out there that had to face the consequences of the missmanagement by this administration that are fed up with the feds.

Languish is a bunch of elitists liberals making judgement from their ivory towers.
So you are intentending to carry out illegal orders to conquer Texas.
PDH!

lustindarkness

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Sheilbh

Quote from: Siege on April 30, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
Languish don't longer have the pulse of the country.
Do I have the pulse? :o

QuoteSeeb, there used to be a time when you walked with people.  Now all you do is talk at them.
It's like Facebook :mellow:
Let's bomb Russia!

Josquius

Its interesting but I increasingly see parallels between the crazy far right US anti-gubment types and anti-EUers in Britain.
The left hate each respective body because they're  much too liberal and utterly incompetent.
The right seem to think there's some master plan at work and they're all-powerful though.
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Syt

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/us/in-texas-a-military-exercise-is-met-by-some-with-suspicion.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

QuoteIn Texas, a Military Exercise Is Met by Some With Suspicion

CHRISTOVAL, Tex. — The beige-metal community center on Main Street here next door to the fire station, the scene of 4-H Club meetings and family reunions, may never be the same. Jade Helm 15 is coming.

One resident said a friend of his, a Vietnam veteran, started burying some of his firearms to hide them. A farmer was rumored to have taken a different approach, by buying 20,000 rounds of ammunition. The superintendent of the school district thought he saw low-flying military cargo planes overhead. Members of the Christoval Volunteer Fire Department, which owns the community center, signed an agreement with military officials stating — oddly to some, suspiciously to others — that the Army will pay for any damage to the building after it uses it.

Sindy Miller, who runs a hair salon on Main Street, said fears of a military takeover have been the talk of this West Texas town, southeast of Midland.

"They're worried that they're going to come in and take their firearms away," Ms. Miller said. "Martial law, basically. I try not to listen to all these conspiracy-theory-type people. All they're worried about is their beer and their guns."

Jade Helm 15, an eight-week military exercise that has generated paranoia for months fueled by conservative bloggers and Internet postings, begins Wednesday in Texas and six other states: Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico and Utah.

The Army's Green Berets, Navy SEALs and other Special Operations troops will be conducting drills on private property, military bases and some public facilities. According to military documents, more than 1,200 service members will participate in the operation in Texas, in more than a dozen mostly small towns and rural counties.

Army officials say there is no cause for alarm.

"The public can expect little disruption in their day-to-day activities since much of the exercise will be conducted in remote areas," the organizer of the exercise, the Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, N.C., said in a statement Monday.

But in a larger sense, Jade Helm 15 has already caused disruptions, particularly in Texas.

On the orders of Gov. Greg Abbott, the Texas State Guard will monitor Jade Helm 15 from Camp Mabry in Austin, the state capital. So will at least one national group of unofficial monitors and protesters that calls itself Counter Jade Helm. It plans to have teams of volunteers follow Army vehicles and post their locations to its website. Army planners and local elected officials have been busy answering questions from apprehensive residents and holding briefings for the Sheriffs' Association of Texas, the San Angelo Tea Party and county commissioners.

Off-base training exercises involving role-playing are not new — candidates for the Army's Special Forces take part in a four-week drill known as Robin Sage in rural North Carolina — but the size and scope of Jade Helm 15 make it unusual.

The military exercise will train Special Operations troops in what Army planners call "unconventional warfare." The exercise is being conducted in rural Texas because the military needed "large areas of undeveloped land with low population densities with access to towns," and wanted soldiers to adapt to unfamiliar terrain as well as social and economic conditions, according to Army documents.

In East Texas, near the Louisiana border, the troops have permission in Marion County to use their aircraft on a private runway. The community center in Christoval will be used for, as one local official described it, "an altercation site." A nighttime helicopter "extraction" will unfold in Disaster City, a mock community in College Station where emergency responders train.

Local officials who have been briefed on the exercise say it is modeled after the French resistance to Nazi occupation during World War II. It calls for some military personnel to play the role of the occupiers and for others to work undetected as part of the resistance. Military maps show Texas and Utah as "hostile," other states as "permissive," and still others as uncertain but leaning hostile or friendly.

Much of the paranoia over Jade Helm 15 is the outgrowth of an anti-Obama sentiment that is widespread in Texas and parts of the Southwest.

"It stems from an absolute distrust with the Obama administration," said Judge Stephen C. Floyd of Tom Green County, its top elected official. "I share a lot of their distrust of the Obama administration and their rule-making, but I have a great deal of confidence in the U.S. military."

According to some right-wing bloggers and activists, the exercise is part of a secret plot by the Obama administration to impose martial law, confiscate firearms, invade red-state Texas or prepare for instituting "total population control." A report on Infowars, a website operated by Alex Jones, a libertarian-leaning talk radio host from Texas, suggested Helm was an acronym for Homeland Eradication of Local Militants.

Military organizers have not explained the meaning of the exercise's name, its slogan ("Master the Human Domain") or its logo, which features a Dutch wooden clog at the center of two intersecting arrows and a sword.

The level of realism sought by Army planners, and uncertainty about whether troops will try to blend in with civilians during the exercise, have heightened the curiosity and unease among some Texans. The military has told local officials that fire extinguishers will be at each training site and that some personnel may carry weapons loaded with blank ammunition or paintball-style training cartridges. According to a PowerPoint presentation prepared by military organizers for Texas officials, some Jade Helm 15 participants "may conduct suspicious activities" as part of their training and others "will be wearing civilian attire and driving civilian vehicles."

In April, Mr. Abbott was criticized for giving legitimacy to conspiracy theorists when he ordered the Texas State Guard to monitor Jade Helm 15. The governor has been getting regular updates since then about the preparations for the exercise, but a spokesman for him said he has no concerns about it. "The Special Operations Command has assured Texas that this exercise poses no risk to anyone, and the governor sees no reason to worry or doubt them," said the spokesman, John Wittman.

In Christoval, an unincorporated town of about 500, Scott Degenaer, 53, smoked a cigarillo outside his home and said he was not sure what to think about Jade Helm 15. But he had suspicions. Two flags flapped in the breeze on his porch: an American flag and a Confederate battle flag. Signs on his house and in the yard read, "Pray for America" and "Warning: The door you are about to break down is locked for your protection!"

Mr. Degenaer, a Navy veteran, said that he saw a Black Hawk helicopter flying over Christoval on Sunday, and that he understood the paranoia that would lead some people to bury firearms.

"With Obama being in there," he said, "with the way he's already stomped all over the Constitution, pushing his presidential authority to the max, it would only be just the stroke of a pen for him to do away with that. This man is just totally anti-U.S. I mean, he just signed a deal with Iran."

Throughout the interview, Mr. Degenaer was skeptical whether the reporter and photographer who spoke with him were members of the news media and wondered if they were part of Jade Helm 15. "Spec Ops grows beards," he said, referring to the photographer's facial hair. "Y'all got a military ID?"

While much of the attention on Jade Helm 15 has focused on conspiracy theories, Army planners have spent months quietly persuading private property owners and small-town leaders to welcome them to their communities. Many local officials and ranchers have granted troops access to their land and buildings, without asking for compensation in return.

In the West Texas town of Eldorado, the local authorities gave the Army approval to use a vacant hospital for office space, although the Army did not ask to use it. And Eldorado's longtime mayor, John Nikolauk, said he is allowing the troops to use his ranch.

"We're a very patriotic part of the country and we think it's great," said Mr. Nikolauk, a former United States Air Force pilot.

Mr. Nikolauk and other local officials said they considered the Internet rumors about Jade Helm 15 far-fetched.

"If the government has an idea they can come in and take over, and take guns away, the stupidest place they could come is West Texas," said Bill Ford, a commissioner in Tom Green County whose district includes Christoval. "There's more guns and ammo here and more people willing to use them than any combat area they've fought in. Bad things aren't going to happen here."
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Darth Wagtaros

PDH!

Josquius

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