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How far right are you?

Started by Josquius, March 14, 2015, 03:06:00 PM

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On a scale of 1 to 10, how far right would you place yourself?

1
4 (7.1%)
2
4 (7.1%)
3
9 (16.1%)
4
8 (14.3%)
5
8 (14.3%)
6
7 (12.5%)
7
9 (16.1%)
8
3 (5.4%)
9
1 (1.8%)
10
3 (5.4%)

Total Members Voted: 56

Valmy

You are far close to garbon and I than you are to him -_-
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Caliga

But we're in the same quadrant at least. :hmm:
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derspiess

Yeah, that's gotta count for something :hug:
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Caliga on March 18, 2015, 02:23:08 PM
But we're in the same quadrant at least. :hmm:

The second best quadrant.
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grumbler

Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on March 18, 2015, 01:46:47 PM
Any ideas for a z-axis for the Political Compass?

I would think that "left" and "right" don't help much in that compass.  I would have "conservative" and "radical" - i.e. how much change do you think is necessary/tolerable.  Then I'd have an "individual/collective" axis, wherein you evaluate how much of the risk/reward of (economic?) activity should be borne by each of us, and how much by all of us together.

Still doesn't capture everything, but would capture more than "left/right."
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Siege

Quote from: Razgovory on March 18, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
This is one of the reasons I am suspicious of Libertarians and their desire of a world without coercion.  A great deal of them own weapons, and people who own weapons believe in coercion.

I don't believe in cohersion and I own a few weapons.
People own guns to defend themselves and their familes, and because it is a principle that discorage criminals.
Compare any major city with strong 2nd ammendment vs cities with strong gun regulation, and you'll see how gun ownership reduces crime.



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Valmy

#246
Quote from: Siege on March 18, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
I don't believe in cohersion and I own a few weapons.

You don't believe in coercion yet you call for draconian law enforcement? Are you aware of what coercion means?

QuoteCompare any major city with strong 2nd ammendment vs cities with strong gun regulation, and you'll see how gun ownership reduces crime.

Ok. I will compare Toronto with Dallas. BRB.

Edit: Toronto has a lot less crime than Dallas. Damn, that did not even stand up to one test.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on March 18, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 18, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
This is one of the reasons I am suspicious of Libertarians and their desire of a world without coercion.  A great deal of them own weapons, and people who own weapons believe in coercion.

I don't believe in cohersion and I own a few weapons.
People own guns to defend themselves and their familes, and because it is a principle that discorage criminals.
Compare any major city with strong 2nd ammendment vs cities with strong gun regulation, and you'll see how gun ownership reduces crime.

Discouraging criminals by having a weapon is called "coercion".
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Ideologue

Quote from: Valmy on March 18, 2015, 10:45:20 AM
Ok I recommend we move to this one:


Well the y axis does map pretty directly onto statism-libertarianism.
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Ideologue

Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on March 18, 2015, 01:46:47 PM
Any ideas for a z-axis for the Political Compass?

Probably sexual morality--with perhaps a fourth axis for racism.  The quiz places those questions on the authoritarian-libertarian axis, and despite one having pretty strongly statist tendencies, if one has no desire for the state to gas Jews or homosexuals, one may be considered a "centrist."  This was the basis of my objection that the quiz is dumb.
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Ideologue

Quote from: Siege on March 18, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 18, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
This is one of the reasons I am suspicious of Libertarians and their desire of a world without coercion.  A great deal of them own weapons, and people who own weapons believe in coercion.

I don't believe in cohersion and I own a few weapons.
People own guns to defend themselves and their familes, and because it is a principle that discorage criminals.
Compare any major city with strong 2nd ammendment vs cities with strong gun regulation, and you'll see how gun ownership reduces crime.

Siegebreaker: would you get behind a single-payer handgun program to ensure all citizens have adequate firepower to repel crime?
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Eddie Teach

The x-axis works better, though I suppose you could flip the y-axis and get similar results.
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Barrister

Quote from: Ed Anger on March 18, 2015, 08:01:17 PM
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I'm lawful good with a curling broom +1. :)
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Grinning_Colossus

#254


Can I be: Libertarian socialist?

Quote from: Ideologue on March 18, 2015, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on March 18, 2015, 01:46:47 PM
Any ideas for a z-axis for the Political Compass?

Probably sexual morality--with perhaps a fourth axis for racism.  The quiz places those questions on the authoritarian-libertarian axis, and despite one having pretty strongly statist tendencies, if one has no desire for the state to gas Jews or homosexuals, one may be considered a "centrist."  This was the basis of my objection that the quiz is dumb.

I don't think sexual morality can be entirely separated from the libertarian-authoritarian axis, though I see your point; the Compass would classify both the religious right and the critical-studies left--who want to legislate very different versions of sexual morality--as simply authoritarian, masking an important distinction.

I think something like in-group-oriented vs. cosmopolitan could be a useful z-axis (though that's also partially covered by authoritarian-libertarian...).
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