Should there be a standing EU army?

Started by jimmy olsen, March 11, 2015, 09:02:37 PM

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Should there be a standing EU army?

Yes
14 (56%)
Yes with qualifications (only is the UK gets to leave first, etc...)
3 (12%)
No
7 (28%)
Other???
1 (4%)

Total Members Voted: 25

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Valmy

#30
March 12, 2015, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 12, 2015, 02:37:36 PM
Yeah, what happened to the other column?

General Franco left that one at home :blush:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Siege

#31
March 12, 2015, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 11, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
It won't happen, but what do you guys think, should it happen?

EDIT: That second option should say "only if" not only is. <_<
http://www.todayonline.com/world/juncker-calls-eu-army-says-would-deter-russia


Fuck no.
The world doesn't need another wanna-be superpower.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Siege

#32
March 12, 2015, 04:01:37 PM
Quote from: citizen k on March 11, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 11, 2015, 09:50:25 PM
Greece keeps 1,622 main battle tanks and 2,187 armoured fighting vehicles ...

That's to not be too humiliated by Turkey.



WW2 vintage equipment is worthless in combat. The American-Arab wars have proven that when on the losing side of a technological gap, not having any armored vehicles is better and more combat effective, because it forces the low tech guys to use uncoventional and more survivable tactics.

A level 5 army can easily dispose of a level 4 army, but it cannot fix and destroy a low tech level 1 army.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Josquius

#33
March 12, 2015, 04:37:28 PM
Yes. It would save a lot of money.
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celedhring

#34
March 12, 2015, 04:44:17 PM
Yes, having a 20+ underfunded miniarmies is extremely ineffectual and counter-productive. We won't see it, though.

I agree a much more feasible start would be properly implementing the Eurofor, though.

The Minsky Moment

#35
March 12, 2015, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
Yes.  If all those tiny budgets are pooled to fund one military maybe they might amount to something.

Yes it would.
One gigantic pension fund worth billions, and 63 active combat soldiers ready for duty speaking 24 different languages.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Sheilbh

#36
March 13, 2015, 06:40:09 PM
No.

On the other hand if he lost the superfluous 'c' I'd probably trust Juncker, of all Euro-leaders, to fashion one.
Let's bomb Russia!

Richard Hakluyt

#37
March 13, 2015, 07:41:26 PM
Perhaps it would be worthwhile if it was done a bit like the Delian League  :hmm:

Stupid mini-countries could pay tribute to the major countries who could then use the money to raise decent forces.

Admiral Yi

#38
March 13, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 12, 2015, 01:38:22 AM
Given that the average age of consent in Europe is 15, what would you do with our 12 year olds and a bunch of IT technicians?  :hmm:

Good one Marty. :thumbsup:

11B4V

#39
March 13, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 11, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
It won't happen, but what do you guys think, should it happen?


Yes and under the full command of the Wehrmacht...errrr Bundeswehr
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".
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