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Elon Musk: Always A Douche

Started by garbon, July 15, 2018, 07:01:42 PM

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crazy canuck

Quote from: Zanza on April 06, 2024, 06:48:03 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 06, 2024, 06:40:11 AMYeah, can't be the maintenance cost, that is less than an ICE.
That is the conventional wisdom, but it is not clear if that's true. While the mechanical engine is not there as a point of failure, the chassis actually has a higher stress as the cars are much heavier. Most other things like body, electronics, etc. are the same regardless of drivetrain technology. Also if the electric drivetrain has a problem it is very hard to fix, harder than most combustion engines. Tesla specific topics like "giga casting" parts breaking also exist.


OK, but what is the percentage of failure of those items across the whole fleet?  I don't know the answer to that because I've never personally had the problem, but I do know that my cost of ownership is next to nothing. The only maintenance cost is taking it into the shop for periodic software updates.  But if you want an EV that updates remotely even that cost is removed.


garbon

I read a link this morning that said costs went up as more people crashed while using autonomous driving features and it was expensive to get Tesla to service them / some had to be written off do to damage to car body or battery.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/04/ego-greed-the-hertz-ev-debacle/
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I think it was more about having that many Teslas in the fleet than EVs.

But give me a few more years with an EV before I have a good feeling about this for sure. Right now the costs of owning an EV have been tiny compared to an ICE vehicle but I have only had it for about 8 months.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2024, 09:30:16 AMI think it was more about having that many Teslas in the fleet than EVs.

But give me a few more years with an EV before I have a good feeling about this for sure. Right now the costs of owning an EV have been tiny compared to an ICE vehicle but I have only had it for about 8 months.

One of the things you will notice is because of the regenerative breaking system, unless you are a race car driver you are going to spend a lot less on brake repairs and pad replacement.

I rarely have to use my brakes in city driving conditions, except to come to a complete stop after the car has already substantially slowed down to a almost to stop.


Tonitrus

Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2024, 09:30:16 AMI think it was more about having that many Teslas in the fleet than EVs.

But give me a few more years with an EV before I have a good feeling about this for sure. Right now the costs of owning an EV have been tiny compared to an ICE vehicle but I have only had it for about 8 months.

Same.  Especially as my housing doesn't charge for utilities, so the "fuel" is mostly free.  As CC said, minimal wear on brakes.  Some say that tire replacement may be more frequent (due to a heavier vehicle), but I'm not there yet.

Syt

For those interested, there's been a disposition in a suit that alleges Musk erroneaously doxed someone as having been part of a false flag psyops operation against right wingers. You can read the transcript here:

https://www.scribd.com/document/721193667/Elon-Musk-Deposed-In-Lawsuit-For-Falsely-Linking-Jewish-Man-To-Neo-Nazi-Brawl

Just skimming through it, it seems pretty hostile? But as non-lawtalker I don't know if either lawyer is overstepping their remit or if it's just idiots shouting at each other.
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