11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[Sheilbh]

Sorry, are you calling going to Iraq to fight with Islamist insurgents against France's ally "delinquency"? Or am I misreading you? Because if you do, that's one hell of an understatement.

I thought he'd had minor scrapes with the law for petty crime, smoking pot etc. Similar to the older Tsarnaev brother and many other Western Muslims who've either been implicated in terrorism or tried to go abroad.

It's that thing about the guys going to fight in Syria buying Islam for Dummies before they go. As I say it may be superficial but I think that there may be lessons for anti-extremism efforts in anti-gang efforts in that it's the kids who are shoplifting and being 'delinquents' who are at pray to radical preachers and Islamist groups just as they are from gangs.

In a strange way if they were more religious it may be better because they'd probably be part of the settled community. Whenever I read pieces on these guys it's striking how many almost have conversion experiences - even Anjem Choudry who you linked to earlier, though he just sends young men off to die from the comfort of East London.

[Martinus]

Mongers seems to have a fetish for trying to make people feel bad about things they said (or maybe even didn't say) in the past.

Yeah, insisting on people being consistent in their views is so banal.

[alfred russel]

In a strange way if they were more religious it may be better because they'd probably be part of the settled community. Whenever I read pieces on these guys it's striking how many almost have conversion experiences - even Anjem Choudry who you linked to earlier, though he just sends young men off to die from the comfort of East London.

When I was in college, I took a comparative religion course, which among other places had me going to a mosque to talk to people and see what it was all about. The immigrants there--including the imam from Egypt--seemed quite down to earth and reasonable. There were also a few converts who I talked to. They were wackjobs. The imam seemed a bit embarrassed to have those guys hanging around.

[Martinus]

  Yeah, well I'm not having any of that yet.  His BB gun stays locked up in the gun cabinet when we're not using it, I do a range safety briefing each time before I hand him the gun, and watch him like a hawk.  KEEP THAT WEAPON POINTED DOWNRANGE

Oh, and we both wear shooting glasses, something I probably would have hated as a kid.

That sucks. When I was a kid my friends and I would roam the neighborhood with BB guns shooting at unfortunate birds and fish in the canals. One neighborhood kid did get shot in the face with a BB (we had nothing to do with that).

You rules would have been a serious downer.

If it was modern America, a cop would have put you down.

[Sheilbh]

Really? It might be an outsider's perspective, but I never thought French problems are particularly bigger than British ones, for example. France simply has more Muslim immigrants, and unlike Britain, they do not necessarily concentrate in a capital but in other cities, which are less well funded for obvious reasons, but I never thought there is a worse systemic situation.

Britain's Muslim community isn't concentrated in the capital. There's a very large, mostly Pakistani, Muslim community in almost every town in South Yorkshire and Lancashire (which is where the London bombers came from for the most part).

Again I'm biased by my reading at the minute but it seems like the amount of low-level violence in the banlieues (eg. around 40 000 cars burned out a year, pretty regular fracas with the police) would cause a British government to collapse. But in France it's just the norm. I'll let you know when I've finished reading the book

[Martinus]

In a strange way if they were more religious it may be better because they'd probably be part of the settled community. Whenever I read pieces on these guys it's striking how many almost have conversion experiences - even Anjem Choudry who you linked to earlier, though he just sends young men off to die from the comfort of East London.

When I was in college, I took a comparative religion course, which among other places had me going to a mosque to talk to people and see what it was all about. The immigrants there--including the imam from Egypt--seemed quite down to earth and reasonable. There were also a few converts who I talked to. They were wackjobs. The imam seemed a bit embarrassed to have those guys hanging around.

Converts are always wackjobs. It's one thing to go on believing in a sky fairy because you started as a kid after you parents told you it is real. It is quite another to abandon your childhood sky fairy for another sky fairy as an adult - that's indicative of serious mental issues.

[Martinus]

Really? It might be an outsider's perspective, but I never thought French problems are particularly bigger than British ones, for example. France simply has more Muslim immigrants, and unlike Britain, they do not necessarily concentrate in a capital but in other cities, which are less well funded for obvious reasons, but I never thought there is a worse systemic situation.

Britain's Muslim community isn't concentrated in the capital. There's a very large, mostly Pakistani, Muslim community in almost every town in South Yorkshire and Lancashire (which is where the London bombers came from for the most part).

Again I'm biased by my reading at the minute but it seems like the amount of low-level violence in the banlieues (eg. around 40 000 cars burned out a year, pretty regular fracas with the police) would cause a British government to collapse. But in France it's just the norm. I'll let you know when I've finished reading the book

Ok. 

[Martinus]

Btw Sheilbh check out the iconographic Syt posted in the other thread. France just have many more muslims than any other EU country.

[jimmy olsen]

No, that's not just what happens.  Sociopath.

It depends, what if they live in a hunting and gathering society.

[Sheilbh]

Btw Sheilbh check out the iconographic Syt posted in the other thread. France just have many more muslims than any other EU country.

Sure. But London's got around the same number of Muslims as the Ile-de-France and nowhere near the problems that exist in the suburbs. Which isn't to do down the problems in, say, Tower Hamlets.

[Martinus]

Btw Sheilbh check out the iconographic Syt posted in the other thread. France just have many more muslims than any other EU country.

Sure. But London's got around the same number of Muslims as the Ile-de-France and nowhere near the problems that exist in the suburbs. Which isn't to do down the problems in, say, Tower Hamlets.

To elaborate further, France has a whooping 8% of muslims in the general populace.

The US has around 2% (by comparison US black populace is around 12%).

And you people were wondering why "France seems to have a particular problem"? 

[Sheilbh]

But that's not what I'm saying

[Razgovory]

Why should 8% of the population be a "problem"?

[Martinus]

Why should 8% of the population be a "problem"?

You were asking why France gets more attacks perpetrated by Muslims than the US.

[Duque de Bragança]

Siege chose the Academia Real (sic) and they don't list compay 
So much for you speaking Castilian and not some latin american "spanish". 
Besides, compay is at best for both compadre and compañero so still no synonym, just a a homograph.

It's a Cuban word.  And I don't use it myself.

It's pretty well known cf. Compay Segundo who popularised it outside the hispanophone sphere.
Glad you reverted to Hoch Kastilisch.