11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[Grey Fox]

I know it's harder for you to discuss Turkey than showing your bigotry against French-speakers (in Canada mostly) but you really should discuss Turkey when dealing with secularism topics.

This just gets stranger and stranger. 

My point: that the whole veil controversy thing in France was a bad idea, because it encourages fundamentalism in France by encouraging the dissafection of the Muslim minority there from mainstream French society.

What this has to do with Turkey, which as far as I know has a Muslim MAJORITY, I do not understand. How this shows bigotry towards French-speakers, in Quebec or otherwise, I do not know. It certainly demonstrates that Muslims are not the ONLY folks who respond irrationaly to any hint of criticism, though - so it has that going for it. 

Turkey has been until recently a secular state with even more stringent laws against religion. The Turkish state even used to redefine hadiths..

So secularism is only good for majority religions, not religious minorities? More multikulti drivel. Secularism is for all religions, they stay in the private sphere.
As for encouraging fundamentalism, check again, it's the other way around. Cases have decreased since '89 when it started (try reading the links you give for once). Fundamentalism was on the way in, scarf or no scarf. Of course, in the '70s in the heyday of feminism, pre-current radical islamism the question did not exist.

You are well-known for your bigotry for French-speaking people in Canada e.g Language laws debates in Québéc, that shows up regularly in this forum, and that spills sometimes when we discuss French issues. Québécois being much more secular in mind than Anglo-Canadians does not help as well.

My patience for you is at an end.

Relax, I'm not a Québécois.

Fuck You!

or is it Allah Ackbar?

[Warspite]

Yeah, if only Salman Rushdie knew how to write...

So you are making an argument that we shouldn't read what Rushdie actually wrote but we should make allowances and read in something he didn't actually say because you say he is a good writer?  Now that is some twisted logic right there.

By the way, have you ever tried to read one of his books?

In my role I do a lot of editing and you would be very surprised how badly even well known names can write, especially if it's a short-notice comment piece. 

[Duque de Bragança]

Fuck You!

or is it Allah Ackbar?

Your latinised arabic is as good as your French irrévérence comprehension skills, Renard Gris.

[CountDeMoney]

If you can handle one of Ide's movies reviews, you can fucking handle Rushdie.

[Berkut]

"Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect."

Yeah, that is so poorly written. I wish I had his inability to write.

[The Minsky Moment]

Me: the Rushdie statement isn't confined to religions. He's stating that all ideas deserve disrespect. Which is why it is awkwardly phrased, because normal people understand there to exist a difference betweeen critique and disrespect. When a scientist peer-reviews someon's paper, he is not "disrespecting" that other person.

Perhaps you've been out of the academic world too long.   .
It is certainly not unknown for secular academics to perceive constructive criticism or "peer review" as personal disrespect.
And while thankfully the levels of physical violence and weaponry are much lower in the academic context, verbal vitriol and nasty backbiting is commonplace.

[crazy canuck]

If you can handle one of Ide's movies reviews, you can fucking handle Rushdie.

Nobody has yet claimed that Ide is a good writer; although, I must say he writes much more clearly that Rushdie.  Damning with faint praise, but there it is.

[crazy canuck]

"Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect."

Yeah, that is so poorly written. I wish I had his inability to write.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[Jacob]

This thread is a hoot. Only thing missing is Grumbler.

It's like the old days

Makes sense, really, since EUOT - and by extension languish - only really stepped into character as a response to 9/11. Languish slowly bleeds to death until some politically contentious tragedy spurs us into impassioned invectives, disrespect, mockery, and eye-rolling.

[11B4V]

And while thankfully the levels of physical violence and weaponry are much lower in the academic context, verbal vitriol and nasty backbiting is commonplace.

[Duque de Bragança]

Back to topic, anti-terrorism alert level has been extended to Picardy just north of Île-de-France (Paris region)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2901478/Paris-shooting-suspect-surrenders.html

A nationwide manhunt to trace two brothers wanted over the Paris magazine massacre is focusing on a rural area outside the capital.

There were reports of heavy police presences around the thickly wooded area near a petrol garage where Said and Cherif Kouachi were apparently sighted earlier today.

The pair are the main suspects in yesterday's deadly attack on the offices of satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and have now been on the run for more than 24 hours.

Emergency staff at the scene after a shooting in Montrouge, south of Paris (AP)

The tension gripping France deepened further today after a policewoman was shot dead just outside Paris this morning in an attack which officials are reportedly treating as a terrorist act.

Thousands of police and security officers have been deployed to hunt for the brothers and the search appeared to be concentrating on an area to the north of the city after reports that they were spotted driving a Renault Clio at a roadside petrol station in the Aisne region.

They were identified after stealing food and petrol from the service station, it was claimed. The pair were said to have been hooded and armed with Kalashnikovs.

The garage was sealed off and armed police patrolled the surroundings while helicopters hovered overhead. Local media said special forces and police units had been dispatched to the area.

Armed officers were seen in the village of Longpont on the edge of the Forêt de Retz, which is around 50 miles from Paris.

Benoit Verdun, a hotel worker in the area, told Sky News: "There are lots of policemen. I can see a huge police car. They are asking people 'have you seen anybody?' They have big guns with them.

"The forest is bigger than Paris - it is very big and very wide. "

The Vigipirate plan - the French national security alert system - was yesterday raised to its highest level, "alerte attentat", across the entire Ile-de-France region around Paris.

That threat level has now reportedly been extended to cover Picardy, the northern French region where the suspects are said to have been spotted.


The sense of unease in Paris was compounded by the second fatal attack on police in consecutive days.

Today's shooting took place early this morning when an officer stopped to investigate a traffic accident. A street sweeper was critically injured in the incident.

Witness Ahmed Sassi said: "There was an officer in front of a white car and a man running away who shot."

The gunman was dressed in dark clothes.

It means police and security agencies are conducting two separate manhunts as they search for the two brothers identified as the main suspects in the magazine massacre, while the perpetrator in today's attack is also on the loose.

Senior security official Bernard Cazenueve left an emergency meeting to travel to the scene in Montrouge. Authorities have not directly linked the two incidents.

I was expecting this to end in a banlieue siege. Those two suspects are like fish out of water in rural Picardy, if they are there that is.

[CountDeMoney]

And while thankfully the levels of physical violence and weaponry are much lower in the academic context, verbal vitriol and nasty backbiting is commonplace.

Henry Kissinger said it much better, though.

[Grey Fox]

Fuck You!

or is it Allah Ackbar?

Your latinised arabic is as good as your French irrévérence comprehension skills, Renard Gris.

That is true that I have no idea how to write that properly­.

Languages evolves & spelling changes. It's hard to swallow, I know.

[crazy canuck]

And while thankfully the levels of physical violence and weaponry are much lower in the academic context, verbal vitriol and nasty backbiting is commonplace.

Henry Kissinger said it much better, though.

But could he write better than Ide, Rushdie or Berkut (in that order)?

[Duque de Bragança]

Fuck You!

or is it Allah Ackbar?

Your latinised arabic is as good as your French irrévérence comprehension skills, Renard Gris.

That is true that I have no idea how to write that properly­.

Languages evolves & spelling changes. It's hard to swallow, I know.

Specially for you, since you are not able to be proficient with any spelling. 
How's your Nouvelle orthographe btw?