NFL Postseason Megathread: Playoffs in the Post-Orton Era

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Ed Anger

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Syt

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Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.


derspiess

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Berkut

They will eventually change this because the extra point isn't really a football play.

People will bitch, and then in a few years everyone will look back on the entire thing with bemusement, that anyone would have ever argued that it was a good idea to have such a silly play in the game. Like people whined about almost every other change football has gone through over the last century.

If everyone stuck with the "it isn't broken, don't fix it!" mantra they would still be playing the game without the forward pass.
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Valmy

QuoteLike people whined about almost every other change football has gone through over the last century.

Well I was not one of those people.

I have been in favor of most of the changes football has made over the years. This one I disagree with. And yes it is a football play. I don't think it is a silly play it is key to the strategic part of the game I love. If they are going to change it they need to have the same choices going into effect and the same uncertainty going into effect. Knowing that a 2 point conversion is the 2 and an extra point is the 15 (or whatever) is lame as hell. And I certainly do not want a point just awarded for no reason.

I reacted the same way back in the mid-90s when people were talking about dumping field goals. Um no.

But the 25 yard line overtime in College Football? Finally getting the 2-point conversion everywhere? Moving the kick off line all over the place? Yeah things that add more football and different sorts of strategic thinking are good. I don't see how these changes make football more interesting or better, they just make it gimmicky and brainless. If you want all point after tries from the 10 or 15 and change the 2 point conversion to a 3 pt conversion fine. But fuck knowing exactly what they are going to do by where they line up. And fuck taking out even having to kick the point. We get precious few football plays per game as it is.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Berkut on March 30, 2015, 08:40:11 AM
They will eventually change this because the extra point isn't really a football play.

looks a lot like what happens on field goal attempts  :hmm:

Berkut

Quote from: crazy canuck on March 30, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 30, 2015, 08:40:11 AM
They will eventually change this because the extra point isn't really a football play.

looks a lot like what happens on field goal attempts  :hmm:

Not really. Field goal attempts actually miss some times. And you can tell the difference in how the players approach a PAT. They are going through the motions, because they know it isn't really relevant. The NFL makes something like 98.6% of all attempted PATs, while only 70% of field goals.

That number, by the way, is radically up from where it was throughout history. As recently as the mid-70s the XP percentage was only 90%.

The play has become meaningless. It almost never matters, because it is almost never in contention.

The only thing remotely interesting about it is when the 1 or 2 points come into play, when the *decision* matters. And that is rare, and would hardly be removed by changing it up.
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crazy canuck

I didn't read anything you said which suggests it isn't a football play.  The same number of players and the same types of players are on the field for a point after and a field goal. 

Berkut

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Neil

Matt Schaub:  Baltimore Raven.  If he follows the typical Texan-to-Raven trajectory, he'll probably look like the greatest QB of his generation.  Shame he'll never see the field.
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jimmy olsen

I knew Sharper had been charged, didn't realize he had pled guilty though, wow.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/08/darren_sharper_investigation_failures_propublica_others_report.html

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Why Did Police Take So Long to Arrest Former NFL Star Darren Sharper for Serial Rape?
By Ben Mathis-Lilley

An article co-published Wednesday by ProPublica, the New Orleans Advocate, and Sports Illustrated documents the many rapes committed by former NFL safety Darren Sharper—and makes the case that authorities could have caught him earlier and perhaps prevented more than one crime had police in any of several cities done more research into his background.

In the piece's telling, Sharper's history with law enforcement appears to date back to at least 2011, shortly after he retired from the NFL, when his name was mentioned by a possible sexual assault victim in Miami Beach. He was then the subject of sex crime investigations in New Orleans, Los Angeles, and Tempe, Arizona, in 2013—but not arrested until he was named by victims in a second Los Angeles case in January 2014. Until that arrest, no investigators in any of the cities where Sharper had committed crimes knew about the allegations elsewhere, and none had contacted police departments in the other cities where he was known to have lived or spent time. This lack of communication, the piece by ProPublica, et al., says, is representative of a broader problem; according to the piece, law enforcement agencies investigating sexual assault cases often fail to coordinate with other agencies or seek out other victims of the same perpetrator even though rapists are often serial offenders.

Though Sharper was finally caught, and despite pleading guilty to rape and sexual assault charges involving nine women in four states, he may end up serving a total of only 10 years in jail.
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