NFL Postseason Megathread: Playoffs in the Post-Orton Era

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alfred russel

#1080
May 12, 2015, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 12, 2015, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 12, 2015, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 12, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
I gotta think grumbler is just fucking with me here, right?

You have to ask?

Well, I can be pretty dense at times, so who really knows?

On the one hand, you have a very detailed report by the NFL resulting in sanctions against Brady and the Patriots. It does seem unlikely that the NFL & scientists in question don't understand the physics and are selectively applying punishment to one of its more valuable brands for innocent and widespread actions.

On the other hand, Brady is a Michigan Man, and grumbler understands a Michigan Man has been instilled wit the virtues to never cheat or seek unfair advantage.
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dps

#1081
May 12, 2015, 06:23:36 PM
The report makes it pretty clear that a Patriots' employee was deflating footballs because Brady liked them that way.  It doesn't provide any direct proof that Brady was aware of the employee's actions, but again, this isn't a criminal case being tried in a court of law.  We don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  Common sense tells us that the idea that Brady was unaware of what was going on isn't really credible.

The punishment would be too harsh if the only issue was the footballs being under the limit set by the rules, but it's pretty clear that Brady and the Patriots are being punished more for not being co-operative with the investigation than for the rules violation itself.  And I have no problem with that.

jimmy olsen

#1082
May 12, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
I applaud Grumbler for fighting the good fight and make a stand for rationlal thinking, due process and proportional punishment. :hug:
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MadImmortalMan

#1083
May 12, 2015, 07:27:45 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 12, 2015, 10:47:41 AM

Dunno why Goodell is trying to be such a hardass over this issue, when there are more egregious examples of not just cheating, but also beating, that he is ignoring.  Like I said, I think that he is going so ludicrously overboard on this issue that some judge is going to declare his stand obviously motivated by animus and pretty much undo all of these penalties.

I have a suspicion that there's been a lot of people around the league who were unhappy with how easy Belichik got off after the spy thing, and Goodell's overreaction here is a result of that.
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Eddie Teach

#1084
May 12, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 12, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
I applaud Grumbler for fighting the good fight and make a stand for rationlal thinking, due process and proportional punishment. :hug:

Stop digging.  :homestar:
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#1085
May 12, 2015, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 12, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
I applaud Grumbler for fighting the good fight and make a stand for rationlal thinking, due process and proportional punishment. :hug:
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jimmy olsen

#1087
May 13, 2015, 05:22:29 AM
This is akin to George Brett putting extra tar on his bat, technically against the rules, but not a big deal. Certainly not worthy of suspending someone 4 NFL games for it.
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KRonn

#1088
May 13, 2015, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: sbr on May 12, 2015, 11:31:45 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/13/a-theory-on-how-deflategate-initially-unfolded/

Sorry on my phone but worth readIng imo.

Good article. It would seem to add more doubt to the league's findings.

I think the footballs should be banned for four games.   :hmm:

Valmy

#1089
May 13, 2015, 07:33:29 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2015, 05:22:29 AM
This is akin to George Brett putting extra tar on his bat, technically against the rules, but not a big deal. Certainly not worthy of suspending someone 4 NFL games for it.

The NFL is technically correct. The best kind of correct!

Come on though. It is the first four games of the season, not the last four. Do they still have that Super Bowl Trophy? Is Belichick still their coach? They will be fine.
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derspiess

#1090
May 13, 2015, 08:38:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2015, 05:22:29 AM
This is akin to George Brett putting extra tar on his bat, technically against the rules, but not a big deal. Certainly not worthy of suspending someone 4 NFL games for it.

Not at all.  Neither George Brett nor the Royals of the 1980s had a history of cheating.
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Admiral Yi

#1091
May 13, 2015, 08:42:45 AM
Also pine tar up the handle doesn't give you the slightest advantage.  And he didn't try to hide the bat when the ump asked to see it.

derspiess

#1092
May 13, 2015, 08:44:14 AM
Plus he owned up to it and even poked fun at himself later.  George Brett was a hell of a guy :)

Don't ever compare Brady to him again, Tim  :glare:
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Ed Anger

#1093
May 13, 2015, 08:45:05 AM
I did get a pleasant vision of George Brett beating Tom Brady to death with a bat.  :)
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Valmy

#1094
May 13, 2015, 08:55:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2015, 08:38:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2015, 05:22:29 AM
This is akin to George Brett putting extra tar on his bat, technically against the rules, but not a big deal. Certainly not worthy of suspending someone 4 NFL games for it.

Not at all.  Neither George Brett nor the Royals of the 1980s had a history of cheating.

I am sure they were all choir boys whose sweat regularly mixed with the tears of angels.
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