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[Berkut]

Yes, I am sure what made Japanese headlines had nothing to do with food snobbery or mocking the peasants for not liking things the way the food snobs insist they must be enjoyed. Because that is clearly headline making news otherwise. "Tourist asks for food restaurant does serve! Details at 11!!!"

If some places only serve their sushi raw, then yes, one should probably avoid those places if one only wants cooked fish. Mocking people for doing so, however, says more about the douchebags who think it is mock worthy than the people who (gasp!) want their food the way they like, and may not be aware that some particular restaurant specifically specializes in food they do NOT like.

But none of this is my point, which is far more a general observation that there is nothing about "sushi" in general that demands that it be only served with raw fish. It is perfectly reasonable to find sushi to be something very enjoyable to eat while at the same time NOT liking raw fish. And that is nothing like saying you want cooked steak tartare, which simply doesn't make sense at all.

Finally, I don't know what a "traditional" sushi place operates like, since I've been in a huge number of sushi places that operate in radically different manners. Is "traditional" more code for "food served the way food snobs think it ought to be served"?

I agree with Mono. Basic standards aren't food snobbery. If someone wants sushi with cooked tuna or salmon, he is a savage. That isn't food snobbery--that is just the way things are. It is like going into a steak restaurant and ordering a well done steak and eating it with lots of ketchup. Sure there are lots of places that will accommodate such requests, but those that care how their food is consumed and expect more from their customers than the ability to pay a bill will not, and in all cases the customers deserve to be mocked.

Thanks for proving my point so eloquently, in a completely snobbish, douchebaggery way that only your can pull off.

Although people who cook steak well done are in fact uncouth peasants deserving of mockery.

[CountDeMoney]

Berkut goes to kosher delis and just dares them to serve him Jew food.  Just try me, Stein.

[Razgovory]

Are you reading my posts at all?

Eh, about a third of the time.

[Berkut]

Berkut goes to kosher delis and just dares them to serve him Jew food.  Just try me, Stein.

Jew food is mostly delicious. Mostly.

I don't think there are any Jewish delis in Rochester that I am aware of, but there were some great ones down by my sisters place in Manhattan...

[Malthus]

Berkut goes to kosher delis and just dares them to serve him Jew food.  Just try me, Stein.

Jew food is mostly delicious. Mostly.

I don't think there are any Jewish delis in Rochester that I am aware of, but there were some great ones down by my sisters place in Manhattan...

The Jewish delis I went to in Manhattan seemed locked in some sort of Darwinian struggle to see who could produce the largest sandwich in existence. The amount of food in one of those things could feed a Somalian village for a week! 

[Monoriu]

You walk into this place, the chef asks you if you want set A, B, or C.  You reply that you want none of the above, because you want all the fish and shellfish be cooked.  Chef says I can't do it, and throws you out.  That's not food snobbery.  That's demanding cooked beef tartare. 

And no, that is demanding something from a restaurant they don't serve. It is not demanding something from a restaurant that they could not serve, because by definition the dish itself cannot actually exist in any restaurant.

It is not food snobbery, but making fun of someone who doesn't want to eat some particular food is certainly food snobbery. I don't fault the restaurant for not giving them what they want, but the idea that that is headlines worthy news just shows that people who find such headlines worthy are douchebags.

Someone goes into a restaurant, a foreigner nonetheless who likely doesn't know the language, and asks for something the restaurant doesn't serve. Restaurant says "Sorry, we don't serve that - these are the choices".

How the fuck is that news anywhere? The only reason it could possibly be interesting is the desire to make fun of the dirty Chinese peasants who don't know how to eat right. If that isn't food snobbery, then nothing is.

I am not talking about making fun of people who don't want to eat a particular food. 

I think that is *exactly* what you are doing.

I am talking about people who go to places that are specialised to do something, and demand the exact opposite. 

So what you are really mocking is their stupidity for not knowing what kind of food was served at some particular restaurant?

And given the quality of journalism that thinks "Peasant tourists don't want to eat raw fish at famous raw fish restaurant" is "headline news", I suspect that the actual reporting is likely total bulllshit anyway.

How about I go to Hooters and make a fuss about the clothes of the waitresses, because I think they all should be covered from top to bottom?

Go right ahead.

If the news report that, is that snobbery now? 

It is pretty shitty journalism at least. And if people think someone finding the way waitresses dress at Hooters objectionable is some kind of newsworthy event, and everyone gets a good life at the provincial tool who found themselves in Hooters, then yeah, that is pretty snobbish.

Someone goes into Hooters not knowing the waitresses dress that way, and is offended. So what?

Yeah, they probably should not go to Hooters then, but clearly they did not know before hand, so why is that interesting, unless you just like to feel superior?

Going to a place that does the best raw fish in the world, and demand cooked fish?  Going to a place with the best wine list, and demand the wine be boiled to make them alcohol free?  You don't see the irony?

I don't see the "headline news story" without their being some pretty serious snobbery about it.

Some tourist did not know that Jiro is all about raw fish. So what?

*I* didn't know that before this back and forth, and I really like sushi.

Look, that traditional sushi is mostly about raw fish and shellfish must be regarded as common knowledge.  It isn't like traditional sushi is such a rare beast.

Jiro doesn't serve walk-in customers.  People need to book a few months in advance.  If you've booked Jiro, you know what you've booked. 

[Berkut]

Look, that traditional sushi is mostly about raw fish and shellfish must be regarded as common knowledge.  It isn't like traditional sushi is such a rare beast.

Jiro doesn't serve walk-in customers.  People need to book a few months in advance.  If you've booked Jiro, you know what you've booked. 

Now you are changing the story though - originally it was just some tourists who went there, and you didn't say they had reservations booked months in advance.

It is like you are leaving out critical information it seem more general, rather than about some particular dumbass.

Obviously, if they made reservations, and new exactly what they were getting into, they are dumbasses. But that isn't really that interesting, since it doesn't say anything about Chinese people in general, just that there is some particular dumbass in the world.

[Berkut]

Is this the story in question?

http://www.eater.com/2014/5/12/6225955/internet-vilifies-student-for-ordering-cooked-sushi-at-sukiyabashi

If so, it doesn't much match with what you said originally. The diner was not a tourist, but rather a student living in Japan. And she sounds like a typical college brat, rather than a stereotypical chinese tourist.

In any case, she is certainly a dumbass, so you were right about that part of it at least.

[Monoriu]

Is this the story in question?

http://www.eater.com/2014/5/12/6225955/internet-vilifies-student-for-ordering-cooked-sushi-at-sukiyabashi

If so, it doesn't much match with what you said originally. The diner was not a tourist, but rather a student living in Japan. And she sounds like a typical college brat, rather than a stereotypical chinese tourist.

In any case, she is certainly a dumbass, so you were right about that part of it at least.

Did I say anything about a 'tourist'?  I said Chinese don't like raw stuff.  Did I use the word tourist?

Found it.  I did 

[Razgovory]

Berkut goes to kosher delis and just dares them to serve him Jew food.  Just try me, Stein.

I wouldn't eat anything that Jill Stein cooks.

[The Minsky Moment]

The Jewish delis I went to in Manhattan seemed locked in some sort of Darwinian struggle to see who could produce the largest sandwich in existence. The amount of food in one of those things could feed a Somalian village for a week! 

Don't talk such nonsense bubbale.  Look at you - thin like a rail!  A wind could knock you over.  You need to eat more.  Finish up your sandwich - here, just put on a little more mustard and cole slaw.

[The Minsky Moment]

The best meal is sushi cooked in a toaster, served in a gas station with a glass of California "Champagne".  Coming soon to Jack in the Box.

[Eddie Teach]

Nonsense. Jack doesn't serve alcohol.

[garbon]

The best meal is sushi cooked in a toaster, served in a gas station with a glass of California "Champagne".  Coming soon to Jack in the Box.

Korbel? Ugh

[OttoVonBismarck]

Wegmans has very good sushi,

They mark it very clearly for our peasant American tastes. Raw stuff has a red label, cooked has...green I think? and blue has no fish at all.

You're already gone down a pretty dark path when you're buying sushi from a supermarket.