Human Rights Watch Warns of 'Authoritarian Drift' in Turkey

[alfred russel]

I don't remember any of this. What did Raz say?

[mongers]

I don't remember any of this. What did Raz say?

This here:

Don't look at me.  I'm not going to defend this bullshit anymore.

[alfred russel]

While definitely better than others (Tim), that is still missing the "I was egregiously wrong for years and Erdogan is a POS" acknowledgement.

[Razgovory]

Raz hasn't posted in this thread for a while, so the mods are trying to help him spot it. That must be why he is replying in the thread anymore, right? 

To be fair, didn't Raz sort of concede on this subject?

I had desperately hoped that Erdegan could combine Islam, free market capitalism, and democracy.  If that worked we could point to Turkey as a counterexample of what a Muslim country can accomplish.  At first, it looked like he was doing it.  Now he's just goofier looking Putin.  Fuck him, fuck Turkey.

[alfred russel]

Raz, it takes a big man to admit his mistakes. 

[CountDeMoney]

Raz, it takes a big man to admit his mistakes. 

Don't think for a moment we don't know which side you're pulling for, Pyotr the Rabbit.

[alfred russel]

Raz, it takes a big man to admit his mistakes. 

Don't think for a moment we don't know which side you're pulling for, Pyotr the Rabbit.

I'm trying to follow the thought process here.

First, you think I'm Dguller.

Second, Dguller is from Lviv. So that makes him Russian. (that doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well)

Third, following from #2, Dguller is a Russian spy and thus secret Putin lover.

Fourth, Putin supports Erdogan. Therefore, DGuller supports Erdogan. Therefore, I support Erdogan.

My point of view: There isn't enough there even for a funny joke. Does Putin even like Erdogan these days? They seem to have a love / hate relationship, and I am not sure which phase they are in right now.

[CountDeMoney]

You're an established pathological liar so everything in your post is suspect, Ivan.

[Syt]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/17/erdogans-bodyguards-in-violent-clash-with-protesters-in-washington-dc

'Erdoğan's bodyguards' in violent clash with protesters in Washington DC

Nine people hurt and two arrests made during the altercation at the Turkish ambassador's residence in the US capital

Nine people were hurt and two arrests were made during an altercation at the Turkish ambassador's residence in the US capital during a visit by president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, police have said.

Doug Buchanan, a DC Fire and EMS spokesman, said two of those hurt were seriously injured and were taken to hospitals by ambulance. He said by phone that emergency personnel were called to the residence about 4:30pm Tuesday.

According to witnesses, the brawl erupted when the Turkish president's security detail attacked protesters carrying the flag of the Kurdish PYD party outside the residence.

A local NBC television affiliate reported Erdoğan was inside the building at the time.

Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Dustin Sternbeck said the altercation broke out between two groups but he didn't elaborate on the circumstances. He said two people were arrested, including one who was charged with assaulting a police officer.

The altercation came the same day that Erdoğan met with President Donald Trump at the White House. The State Department declined to comment.

Earlier Trump and Erdoğan had stood side by side at the White House and promised to strengthen strained ties despite the Turkish leader's stern warning about Washington's arming of a Kurdish militia.

Fresh from securing his grip on Turkey with a referendum to enhance his powers, Erdoğan came to the Oval Office with complaints about US support for Kurdish fighters and what Ankara says is Washington's harbouring of the mastermind of a failed coup.

But both leaders also tried to put a brave face on their differences and to renew a key alliance between Nato's leading power and its biggest Muslim member, partners in the fight against the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq.

"It is absolutely unacceptable to take the YPG-PYD into consideration as partners in the region, and it's going against a global agreement we reached," Erdoğan said, referring to the Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units (YPG) in Syria.

"In the same way, we should never allow those groups who want to change the ethnic or religious structures in the region to use terrorism as a pretext," he added, suggesting that the Kurds were using the anti-Isis fight as cover for separatist nationalism.

[mongers]

So Erdoğan was in DC to pick up some tips on how to promote authoritarian drift in a democracy?

[The Minsky Moment]

That's just great.  I work in the same building as the Turkish consulate - pro-Kurdish protestors around quite a bit here.

[Valmy]

I hesitate to ask this since I am afraid I know the answer but what is the 'America First' White House's response to this attack of Americans by foreign security personnel?

[The Brain]

I hesitate to ask this since I am afraid I know the answer but what is the 'America First' White House's response to this attack of Americans by foreign security personnel?

It was a false flag op?

[mongers]

That's just great.  I work in the same building as the Turkish consulate - pro-Kurdish protestors around quite a bit here.

Heh JR I found your business:

BORDEAUX WEALTH ADVISORS LLC

[Razgovory]

I'm betting it's the law firm that exists there as well.