It took the Secret Service 4 days to realize that shots had hit the White House

Started by jimmy olsen, September 29, 2014, 12:33:13 AM

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DontSayBanana

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 29, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
You got cops all over America shooting the shit out of unarmed black people on a daily basis, and yet you've got Secret Squirrels that refuse to shoot anything that poses a direct threat to a black President. 

Crazy world.  Someone ought to sell tickets.

You never know.  Some enterprising soul from Betelgeuse-5 may be doing just that.
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KRonn

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2014, 07:08:45 PM
The recent fence jumper made it deeper inside the house than first reported.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/omar-gonzalez-white-house-fence-jumper-made-it-farther-inside-n214316

Yeah, more embarrassment for the SS. Congress is holding hearings on this stuff today. Guy got past the outside grounds and into the WH quite a ways. You'd think first off that all the outside area and the fence is constantly monitored. I'm sure it is but there was a screw-up in the process. Thankfully they can learn from this before someone with more lethal intent does the same.

CountDeMoney

They're not going to learn, because like the FBI, they eat up their own mystique.  Assholes.

CountDeMoney

They are trying to get that man killed.

QuoteArmed contractor with criminal record was on elevator with Obama in Atlanta

A security contractor with a gun and three convictions for assault and battery was allowed on an elevator with President Obama during a Sept. 16 trip to Atlanta, violating Secret Service protocols, according to three people familiar with the incident.

Obama was not told about the lapse in his security, these people said. The Secret Service director, Julia Pierson, asked a top agency manager to look into the matter but did not refer it to an investigative unit that was created to review violations of protocol and standards, according to two people familiar with the handling of the case who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The incident, which took place when Obama visited the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to discuss the U.S. response to the Ebola crisis, rattled Secret Service agents assigned to the president's protective detail.

The private contractor first aroused the agents' concerns when he acted oddly and did not comply with their orders to stop using a cellphone camera to record the president in the elevator, according to the people familiar with the incident.

When the elevator opened, Obama left with most of his Secret Service detail. Some agents stayed behind to question the man and then used a national database check that turned up his criminal history.

When a supervisor from the firm providing security at the CDC approached and discovered the agents' concerns, the contractor was fired on the spot. Then the contractor agreed to turn over his gun — surprising agents, who had not realized that he was armed during his encounter with Obama.


Extensive screening is supposed to keep people with weapons or criminal histories out of arm's reach of the president. But it appears that this man, possessing a gun, came within inches of the president after undergoing no such screening.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), who heads a House subcommittee that oversees the Secret Service, first heard of the breakdown from a whistleblower. The Washington Post confirmed details of the event with other people familiar with the agency's review.

"You have a convicted felon within arm's reach of the president, and they never did a background check," Chaffetz said. "Words aren't strong enough for the outrage I feel for the safety of the president and his family. "

Chaffetz added: "His life was in danger. This country would be a different world today if he had pulled out his gun."

A Secret Service official, speaking on behalf of the agency, said an investigation of the incident is ongoing. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing the pending review.

A White House spokesman declined to comment on the incident or say when, or if, the president had been informed of it.

In response to a question at a combative House hearing Tuesday, Pierson said she briefs the president "100 percent of the time" when his personal security has been breached. However, she said that had happened only one time this year: when Omar Gonzalez jumped over the White House fence Sept. 19 and was able to burst into the mansion.

The revelation of the lapse in Atlanta is the latest in a string of embarrassments for the Secret Service. Some elements of the incident were first reported Tuesday afternoon on the Washington Examiner's Web site.

Pierson drew criticism Tuesday from lawmakers in both parties during the hearing on her agency's security lapses. The session focused on the Secret Service's fumbled responses to the recent White House fence jumper and a 2011 shooting attack on the residence.

The fence breach came three days after Obama's trip to Atlanta.

The elevator incident exposed a breakdown in Secret Service protocols designed to keep the president safe from strangers when he travels to events outside the White House.

Under a security measure called the Arm's Reach Program, Secret Service advance staffers run potential event staff members, contractors, hotel employees, invited guests and volunteers through several databases, including a national criminal information registry, and records kept by the CIA, the National Security Agency and the Defense Department, among others. Anyone who is found to have a criminal history, mental illness or other indications of risk is barred from entry.

Local police and federal officers are not checked in the same way under the Arm's Reach Program, with the Secret Service presuming that they meet the safety standards because of their employment in law enforcement. But private security contractors would typically be checked, said two former agents who worked on advance planning for presidential trips.

For nearly every trip the president takes, at least one person is barred from attending or participating in an event because of problems discovered in his or her background, the two former agents said. Most recently, a local political campaign volunteer who was offering to help drive staffers to and from events during a visit had faced an assault charge in the past.

As part of the Secret Service's review of the elevator incident, Pierson directed a supervising agent on the president's protective detail to stay in Atlanta to examine the breakdown.

That decision aroused suspicion on Capitol Hill. Chaffetz said he believes that Pierson was trying to keep another security gaffe quiet at a time when her agency and her leadership are under fire.

Former and current agents say Secret Service leaders prefer this kind of informal internal review for assessing potentially embarrassing mistakes. They say such reviews rarely lead to broad reforms or consequences.

These agents also say it is problematic for a presidential protective detail supervisor to review how his team performed.

In an incident The Post revealed in 2013, a top manager of the president's protective detail had met a woman while drinking at a bar at the Hay-Adams hotel and had left a bullet from his service weapon in her room after spending the evening with her there. One of his superiors reviewed the incident and at first recommended that he receive a few days of counseling. The Post report about the episode led to the agency launching a fuller investigation.

jimmy olsen

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Valmy

I like how Rick Perry took the opportunity to brag on how comparatively tight his security is.  I guess he forgot when an arsonist burned out the Governor's Mansion.
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derspiess

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CountDeMoney

Watching Pierson testifying yesterday was like watching a corpse testify.  Oh, and that hair, girl.

mongers

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 29, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
You got cops all over America shooting the shit out of unarmed black people on a daily basis, and yet you've got Secret Squirrels that refuse to shoot anything that poses a direct threat to a black President. 

Crazy world.  Someone ought to sell tickets.

Quite a compelling argument when you put it like that.  :hmm:
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derspiess

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garbon

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CountDeMoney

For the same reason people think marketing stripes shirts with gold stars on them or Kent State tees with blood stains is a good idea:  nobody thinks anymore.

garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2014, 11:11:39 AM
For the same reason people think marketing stripes shirts with gold stars on them or Kent State tees with blood stains is a good idea:  nobody thinks anymore.

Meh that wasn't designed and it was clearly not bloodstained either. Tempest in a teacup.
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The Brain

The Kent State thing was a Halloween outfit. OMG shock horror a slutty killed student! People these days. :rolleyes:
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