Telegraph Writer Calls for Middle Class Revolution

[garbon]

I am ready to revolt.

I can't speak to that but I can say you are revolting.

[DGuller]

I'm not so certain that we have any clear visibility on which politicians will do what with regards to said policies. I mean I guess we have Elizabeth Warren though I'm not sure we've real assurance she'll do anything other than make angry speeches.

Oh, please, not that libertarian "both parties are essentially the same" garbage again.  Both parties have plenty of corruption by money, but one party clearly favors a much deeper entrenchment of corruption and crony capitalism than another party.  We do have a choice, as imperfect as it is, and we'll get better choices down the road if we actually get our heads out of our asses and make good use of it.

The reason we live in a Citizens United world is not because both parties are essentially the same.  The reason we live in that world is because we elected enough Republicans to ram through enough conservative Supreme Court justices.  Sometimes reality is really that simple.

[garbon]

I'm not so certain that we have any clear visibility on which politicians will do what with regards to said policies. I mean I guess we have Elizabeth Warren though I'm not sure we've real assurance she'll do anything other than make angry speeches.

Oh, please, not that libertarian "both parties are essentially the same" garbage again.  Both parties have plenty of corruption by money, but one party clearly favors a much deeper entrenchment of corruption and crony capitalism than another party.  We do have a choice, as imperfect as it is, and we'll get better choices down the road if we actually get our heads out of our asses and make good use of it.

The reason we live in a Citizens United world is not because both parties are essentially the same.  The reason we live in that world is because we elected enough Republicans to ram through enough conservative Supreme Court justices.  Sometimes reality is really that simple.

Oh I don't think they are exactly the same. Unlike you though, I don't really see the Dems as that much better with the urge of "Spend, Baby, Spend!"

[DGuller]

Oh I don't think they are exactly the same. Unlike you though, I don't really see the Dems as that much better with the urge of "Spend, Baby, Spend!"

They have other urges besides that.

[garbon]

Oh I don't think they are exactly the same. Unlike you though, I don't really see the Dems as that much better with the urge of "Spend, Baby, Spend!"

They have other urges besides that.

Just like Republicans have other urges. I'm a Republican and I certainly have other urges.

[Tamas]

Oh I don't think they are exactly the same. Unlike you though, I don't really see the Dems as that much better with the urge of "Spend, Baby, Spend!"

They have other urges besides that.

Just like Republicans have other urges. I'm a Republican and I certainly have other urges.

A lot of other Republicans would not let you have those urges, though.

[Tamas]

And DGuller I am going to debate this with you in about 20-30 years when the Democrats will be shifting toward more the center, and, along with their official policy, your worldview as ell.

[garbon]

Oh I don't think they are exactly the same. Unlike you though, I don't really see the Dems as that much better with the urge of "Spend, Baby, Spend!"

They have other urges besides that.

Just like Republicans have other urges. I'm a Republican and I certainly have other urges.

A lot of other Republicans would not let you have those urges, though.

Okay? There are a lot of Dems who wouldn't either - given what happened with gay marriage in California when it had a popular vote.

[Warspite]

I'm not sure I buy the idea of middle class contempt for those beneath them that the article suggests.

This is the same middle class that voted in New Labour that brought about the minimum wage, for example, which is a policy that doesn't really benefit the middle. I'd also suggest that a lot of the reason for the middle class's support for the NHS and good-quality state education is for reasons of societal cohesion, even if they do of course benefit directly from services free at the point of access.

That said, each time I see another article on financiers taking us for a big ride, I do get a bit closer to putting up the barricades.

[DGuller]

And DGuller I am going to debate this with you in about 20-30 years when the Democrats will be shifting toward more the center, and, along with their official policy, your worldview as ell.

 

[Admiral Yi]

Oh, please, not that libertarian "both parties are essentially the same" garbage again.  Both parties have plenty of corruption by money, but one party clearly favors a much deeper entrenchment of corruption and crony capitalism than another party.  We do have a choice, as imperfect as it is, and we'll get better choices down the road if we actually get our heads out of our asses and make good use of it.

The reason we live in a Citizens United world is not because both parties are essentially the same.  The reason we live in that world is because we elected enough Republicans to ram through enough conservative Supreme Court justices.  Sometimes reality is really that simple.

The other party arguably favors a deeper entrenchment of crony statism.

[Jacob]

And DGuller I am going to debate this with you in about 20-30 years when the Democrats will be shifting toward more the center, and, along with their official policy, your worldview as ell.

They'll have to start drifting leftwards at some point, then.

[Jacob]

The other party arguably favors a deeper entrenchment of crony statism.

In what way?

[Admiral Yi]

In what way?

Money for favors.  The same way Guller was talking about crony capitalism, presumably.

[Grey Fox]

I am ready to revolt.

I can't speak to that but I can say you are revolting.

Don't like bears?