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Started by Grallon, August 27, 2014, 06:56:33 PM

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Grallon

August 27, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
The Trailer is here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzeFFsKEt4

I can't wait - especially for Galadriel's action in Dol Guldur.




G.
"Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."

~Jean-François Revel

KRonn

#1
August 27, 2014, 08:10:03 PM
Nice, looks good!

Razgovory

#2
August 27, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
Saw this a few weeks ago.  For some reason it just doesn't get me as excited anymore. :(
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

jimmy olsen

#3
August 27, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Dwarven ram cavalry?  :hmm:

It's a change, but I think it works!
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mongers

#4
August 27, 2014, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 27, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Dwarven ram cavalry?  :hmm:

It's a change, but I think it works!

Tainted.   :rolleyes:





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Sophie Scholl

#5
August 29, 2014, 01:10:15 PM
After the mediocre film that the first was, the cringe inducing second one, I'm just hoping this one doesn't continue the downward spiral that Jackson has been in since seemingly Fellowship.  I really wish he'd stuck more to the book and not invented all kinds of inane and stupid shit to pad the films.  I could easily have seen half the second Hobbit flick axed and been made into a much better movie for it.
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Siege

#6
August 29, 2014, 01:27:27 PM
Only Martin excites me these days, and only in the written word.
Well, David Weber is cool too, with the Honorverse and the Safehold series.


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Grallon

#7
August 29, 2014, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on August 29, 2014, 01:10:15 PM
After the mediocre film that the first was, the cringe inducing second one, I'm just hoping this one doesn't continue the downward spiral that Jackson has been in since seemingly Fellowship.  I really wish he'd stuck more to the book and not invented all kinds of inane and stupid shit to pad the films.  I could easily have seen half the second Hobbit flick axed and been made into a much better movie for it.


Lots of juicy tidbits are mingled with the inane in those Hobbit flicks.  Think of the White Council scene - very nicely played.  I don't think neither installments deserve the epithet 'mediocre'. 

What do you object to specifically?



G.
"Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."

~Jean-François Revel

Razgovory

#8
August 29, 2014, 07:43:42 PM
I didn't find either to be cringe inducing, but they were tiring.  The truth is we could do the whole story in one film and all the rest felt like padding.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Darth Wagtaros

#9
August 29, 2014, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on August 29, 2014, 01:10:15 PM
After the mediocre film that the first was, the cringe inducing second one, I'm just hoping this one doesn't continue the downward spiral that Jackson has been in since seemingly Fellowship.  I really wish he'd stuck more to the book and not invented all kinds of inane and stupid shit to pad the films.  I could easily have seen half the second Hobbit flick axed and been made into a much better movie for it.
Yes.
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Sophie Scholl

#10
August 29, 2014, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: Grallon on August 29, 2014, 07:41:11 PM
Lots of juicy tidbits are mingled with the inane in those Hobbit flicks.  Think of the White Council scene - very nicely played.  I don't think neither installments deserve the epithet 'mediocre'. 

What do you object to specifically?



G.
In the second film?  The Beorn scene shot by too fast in my opinion.  I wasn't a huge fan of Beorn's appearance.  The changes to the spider fight.  The changes to the Mirkwood scenes.  The barrel escape.  The wounding of Kili.  The possible love interest between Kili and the elf.  The splitting of the company.  The awful Smaug chase scene.  The orc invasion of Laketown.  That's off of the top of my head for the second movie.  I also am not a big fan of the appearance of a lot of the dwarves.  I have enjoyed the White Council scenes and elements that were added from the appendices.
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"Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did."

celedhring

#11
August 30, 2014, 04:13:22 AM
I thought the second was better than the first (no big praise here), but I fully agree it would have been much better to cut out all the stupid shit and make one single, solid film. Three hours - I don't know if they are that long, but they did *feel* so - of noise, stupid jokes and silly padded out action scenes for each movie is really tiresome.

I will still go to this one, my brother is a huge fan and it's one of those fraternal bonding things one's got to do from time to time.

Grallon

#12
August 30, 2014, 06:27:09 AM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on August 29, 2014, 09:10:35 PM

In the second film?  The Beorn scene shot by too fast in my opinion.  I wasn't a huge fan of Beorn's appearance.  The changes to the spider fight.  The changes to the Mirkwood scenes.  The barrel escape.  The wounding of Kili.  The possible love interest between Kili and the elf.  The splitting of the company.  The awful Smaug chase scene.  The orc invasion of Laketown.  That's off of the top of my head for the second movie.  I also am not a big fan of the appearance of a lot of the dwarves.  I have enjoyed the White Council scenes and elements that were added from the appendices.


I found Beorn to be one of the best portrayed character myself - stylized yet realistic.  Gandlaf calls him a skinchanger (can't recall if that was in the book or not) so he had to look different from a normal human.  The whole of Mirkwood could have been skipped in my opinion - the only good thing about it - because it was played - was Bilbo's horror when he realized the power the ring begins to have over him.  I agree entirely on the Laketown scenes - useless filler; likewise regarding the aborted love interest.  But Smaug?  How can anyone ever have enough of Cumberbatch' Smaug?  Alright the whole sequence didn't make much sense but still. 

Finally about dwarves... I hate the fact that Jackson keep using them as comic relief.  If you've seen the extended edition of the 2nd movie you'll understand - the diner scene - the fountain bath scene...  Now that was cringe worthy!  And from what I saw in the trailer I fear we'll have to swallow another Jackson-esque innovation with the dwarven goat cavalry...  When everyone knows dwarves are the best heavy infantry in Middle Earth.

Still, overall I find Jackson's efforts to give shape to M-E were more positive than negative.  Yet while In understand that the text must be adapted to the screen, I wish he'd have treated the source material with more gravitas.



G.
"Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."

~Jean-François Revel

CountDeMoney

#13
August 30, 2014, 06:51:26 AM
Quote from: Grallon on August 30, 2014, 06:27:09 AM
Yet while In understand that the text must be adapted to the screen, I wish he'd have treated the source material with more gravitas.

Hell, I think in some instances in the LOTR trilogy, he treated it with too much gravitas.

But I can't say anything about the Hobbit series, haven't watched any of it.

celedhring

#14
August 30, 2014, 08:34:04 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2014, 06:51:26 AM
Quote from: Grallon on August 30, 2014, 06:27:09 AM
Yet while In understand that the text must be adapted to the screen, I wish he'd have treated the source material with more gravitas.

Hell, I think in some instances in the LOTR trilogy, he treated it with too much gravitas.

But I can't say anything about the Hobbit series, haven't watched any of it.

If anything the gravitas works even worse in The Hobbit, imho. Jackson takes a children adventure book - that's what The Hobbit is - and fills it with navel gazing and forced epicness, to make it more like the first LOTR films.
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