Is suicide really selfish?

[Viking]

My mum attempted suicide no less than four times in the early stages of dementia - when she knew she had it but wasn't affecting her too badly. Between attempts she talked about it and told me she wanted dad to move on and be happy, so for her it was altruistic. Dad honestly didn't know whether to call an ambulance that final time, because she was already quite ill and she had expressed that she just wanted to not suffer any more.

I'm not gonna share but I do know how you feel.

[garbon]

I wish we'd do something about the stigma attached to suicide, so people won't be forced to go through it all alone and often in very painful circumstances.
It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.

I don't. Most people shouldn't be receiving encouragement/support in their decision to commit suicide.

[Maladict]

I wish we'd do something about the stigma attached to suicide, so people won't be forced to go through it all alone and often in very painful circumstances.
It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.

I don't. Most people shouldn't be receiving encouragement/support in their decision to commit suicide.

Maybe, but some should. Which is what I was getting at. In many countries you can't even discuss it with a doctor.

[garbon]

I wish we'd do something about the stigma attached to suicide, so people won't be forced to go through it all alone and often in very painful circumstances.
It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.

I don't. Most people shouldn't be receiving encouragement/support in their decision to commit suicide.

Maybe, but some should. Which is what I was getting at. In many countries you can't even discuss it with a doctor.

Where does that fit along "do no harm"?

[Maladict]

I wish we'd do something about the stigma attached to suicide, so people won't be forced to go through it all alone and often in very painful circumstances.
It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved.

I don't. Most people shouldn't be receiving encouragement/support in their decision to commit suicide.

Maybe, but some should. Which is what I was getting at. In many countries you can't even discuss it with a doctor.

Where does that fit along "do no harm"?

When it is used as a last resort? When a doctor has tried everything else? I don't see the problem.

I find it harder to fit 'do no harm' along patients being starved to death in hospitals.

[garbon]

When it is used as a last resort? When a doctor has tried everything else? I don't see the problem.

Not all doctors are equal.

I find it harder to fit 'do no harm' along patients being starved to death in hospitals.

[Maladict]

When it is used as a last resort? When a doctor has tried everything else? I don't see the problem.

Not all doctors are equal.

Which is why you have to talk to several of them when dealing with these kinds of decisions.

I find it harder to fit 'do no harm' along patients being starved to death in hospitals.

I didn't phrase that correctly. I meant people being denied the possibility of assisted suicide starving themselves to death (or taken off life support), often in hospitals with doctors not allowed to end their suffering. It doesn't make much sense to me.

[Siege]

LOL, I forgot to unban Siegy. Sorry, Siege. 

Fuck you. You did it intentionally.
Worst moderator ever.

[CountDeMoney]

At least I can hold my apple cider.

[Martinus]

LOL, I forgot to unban Siegy. Sorry, Siege. 

Fuck you. You did it intentionally.
Worst moderator ever.

They forgot to unban me for a year. 

Clear the air!

[garbon]

LOL, I forgot to unban Siegy. Sorry, Siege. 

Fuck you. You did it intentionally.
Worst moderator ever.

They forgot to unban me for a year. 

Clear the air!

You weren't really banned.

[Tamas]

Was it deliberate that Marty came back with the topic which earned him a ban?

[katmai]

LOL, I forgot to unban Siegy. Sorry, Siege. 

Fuck you. You did it intentionally.
Worst moderator ever.

They forgot to unban me for a year. 

Clear the air!

We never forgot to unban you, it was on purpose. 

[Martinus]

Was it deliberate that Marty came back with the topic which earned him a ban?

How so?

[Admiral Yi]

Raz, you should kill yourself.