The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Syt]

At least the NY Post is fair and balanced.

I suppose you think it's actually fair and balanced when most of the media defended Trayvon, and now is demonizing Kyle.

Well Trayvon didn't kill anybody, I don't really see how the two situations demand equal treatment.

^this

[Ancient Demon]

At least the NY Post is fair and balanced.

I suppose you think it's actually fair and balanced when most of the media defended Trayvon, and now is demonizing Kyle.

Well Trayvon didn't kill anybody, I don't really see how the two situations demand equal treatment.

They probably don't, but it was Syt who brought it up.

[Ancient Demon]

In just a few hours, that murderer got 140k from fellow fascists for his legal defense, on a Christian social funding site.

He's not a murderer or a fascist, and I hope he get's even more money and support.

Is killing American citizens just fine and alright now? I am just so baffled by the "American citizens who are killed deserve it" attitude I keep seeing.

I guess if that is the new expectation I should adjust my attitude accordingly.

Self defense is acceptable, whether the assailants are American citizens or not.

[Oexmelin]

In just a few hours, that murderer got 140k from fellow fascists for his legal defense, on a Christian social funding site.

He's not a murderer or a fascist, and I hope he get's even more money and support.

Is killing American citizens just fine and alright now? I am just so baffled by the "American citizens who are killed deserve it" attitude I keep seeing.

I guess if that is the new expectation I should adjust my attitude accordingly.

Self defense is acceptable, whether the assailants are American citizens or not.

This wasn't fucking self defense.

[Valmy]

Self defense is acceptable, whether the assailants are American citizens or not.

Sure and if he was acting in self defense that will be born out in trial. At least he is actually getting a trial.

But that fact is not established.

[Ancient Demon]

This wasn't fucking self defense.

Yes it fucking was.

[Ancient Demon]

Self defense is acceptable, whether the assailants are American citizens or not.

Sure and if he was acting in self defense that will be born out in trial. At least he is actually getting a trial.

But that fact is not established.

Okay.

[Eddie Teach]

This wasn't fucking self defense.

Yes it fucking was.

Maybe #2 and #3 were. Vigilante mobs are bad. But auto dealerships don't fall under self-defense.

[DGuller]

This wasn't fucking self defense.

Yes it fucking was.

Maybe #2 and #3 were. Vigilante mobs are bad. But auto dealerships don't fall under self-defense.

I would think it would be all or nothing.  You don't get to claim self-defense because people are trying to stop you after murdering someone.

[Sheilbh]

I would think it would be all or nothing.  You don't get to claim self-defense because people are trying to stop you after murdering someone.

Yeah it's like that shooting/terrorist attack in London where the guy got chased by someone with a Narwhal tusk. He doesn't get to claim GBH because he got hurt by the Narwhal tusk.

[Eddie Teach]

This wasn't fucking self defense.

Yes it fucking was.

Maybe #2 and #3 were. Vigilante mobs are bad. But auto dealerships don't fall under self-defense.

I would think it would be all or nothing.  You don't get to claim self-defense because people are trying to stop you after murdering someone.

Is he trying to kill more people or to flee?

People taking it on themselves to be police is a dangerous situation.

[Sheilbh]

People taking it on themselves to be police is a dangerous situation.

Do Americans have like the trope of "have a go heroes"?

Examples are the guy with the Narwhal tusk, or the guy at Glasgow airport who kicked a terrorist in the bollocks so hard he tore a tendon in his foot

Also isn't it part of the argument for people having guns, that they can protect themselves from crime?

[Eddie Teach]

We invented Batman. Doesn't mean people should emulate him.

[Sheilbh]

We invented Batman. Doesn't mean people should emulate him.

But that's a vigilante. This is more people just stopping a crime they see happening - tripping up a thief, chasing a terrorist with ivory, kicking them in the balls. It's the old idea the public are the police and the police are the public.

[Valmy]

Okay.

Yep. The fact that there will be a trial will help establish the facts.

However, I am a little uncomfortable with some people rushing to pick up the bill.