The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[merithyn]

I admit that I don't know a lot about how police are trained, or what they're taught regarding conflict resolution. So I have questions.

If it's determined that the major issue with why police respond with deadly force more often than we'd like is due to how they're trained, how long would it take for any real change to happen? For instance, I think the general sentiment is that police are taught to always be on the look out to avoid being shot, so they are always on the defense. If the training changes to more conflict resolution as the first and best option, how long before we would see the rewards of that training?

I mean, if cops are taught to always be on guard, a handful of classes on conflict resolution isn't going to fix that way of thinking in a week, a month, or even a year, I wouldn't think. We've been training our officers this way for decades. Seedy had talked about it from when he was on the force 30 years ago. On top of that, we've militarized them, which has also given them a defensive posture instead of a conciliatory one.

But it won't be fixed overnight. So what is enough now? What is the recommendation to get us over this hump and fewer people killed while this new training - assuming its implemented - actually impacts citizens?

Can't say that Seedy didn't see this coming.  He said those idiots would get him killed or in jail and he was 100%.

Still his common line. He hates the whole system for exactly this reason.

[Tamas]

Not the bestest of PR I guess:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/08/25/dc-protesters-blm-diner-confrontation/

[Josquius]

Pff. Such idiots. Thats a few points for Trump

[garbon]

White allies...

[Tamas]

White allies...

TBF the article says some black lady asked the whites in the crowd to step out in front, but yeah this story and picture was like free Trump campaign ad work.


Meanwhile in Wisconsin 3 protesters shot each other following an altercation between them, one of them died. I guess a mob is a mob no matter what cause they gather for.

[11B4V]

Pff. Such idiots. Thats a few points for Trump

Yup

[The Minsky Moment]

I admit that I don't know a lot about how police are trained, or what they're taught regarding conflict resolution. So I have questions.

If it's determined that the major issue with why police respond with deadly force more often than we'd like is due to how they're trained, how long would it take for any real change to happen? For instance, I think the general sentiment is that police are taught to always be on the look out to avoid being shot, so they are always on the defense. If the training changes to more conflict resolution as the first and best option, how long before we would see the rewards of that training?

I mean, if cops are taught to always be on guard, a handful of classes on conflict resolution isn't going to fix that way of thinking in a week, a month, or even a year, I wouldn't think. We've been training our officers this way for decades. Seedy had talked about it from when he was on the force 30 years ago. On top of that, we've militarized them, which has also given them a defensive posture instead of a conciliatory one.

But it won't be fixed overnight. So what is enough now? What is the recommendation to get us over this hump and fewer people killed while this new training - assuming its implemented - actually impacts citizens?

FWIW I have a friend (ex Israeli army) who used to do non-lethal training with local PDs.  His impression is that some cops were quick to pull the firearm because they lacked confidence in their physical ability to control a situation without quickly escalating to the threat of lethal force.

To be fair it is not an easy job.  However, the simple truth is that the job is protecting the public and that public includes suspects.

[Maximus]

Meanwhile in Wisconsin 3 protesters shot each other following an altercation between them, one of them died. I guess a mob is a mob no matter what cause they gather for.

Are you talking about the militia member who shot 3 protesters?

[Tamas]

Meanwhile in Wisconsin 3 protesters shot each other following an altercation between them, one of them died. I guess a mob is a mob no matter what cause they gather for.

Are you talking about the militia member who shot 3 protesters?

Actually yes. I made the mistake of reading a Hungarian news about it which was translated in a very retarded way.

[derspiess]

Saw a video of a dude with an AR that was getting rushed by rioters, almost like a zombie movie.  They had him on the ground and one rioter went to jump kick him.  Looks like he was a bit panicky with the shots he got off, but I guess his own life was on the line at that point.  Looked like he had been trying to get away from them.

Ugly situation

[Valmy]

Saw a video of a dude with an AR that was getting rushed by rioters, almost like a zombie movie.  They had him on the ground and one rioter went to jump kick him.  Looks like he was a bit panicky with the shots he got off, but I guess his own life was on the line at that point.  Looked like he had been trying to get away from them.

Ugly situation

Or at least felt like his life was on the line, which is probable in a situation like that.

The whole situation is disastrous. Decades of unaddressed problems coming home to roost.

[merithyn]

White allies...

They've been a nightmare throughout this whole thing in Portland. My friends who have been marching downtown have said that every fire set, every bottle thrown at police, all began with white allies. It's only a handful of witnesses, but it's still rather damning, and agrees with the independent reporters who've been there since the beginning.

It seems that white people really have no idea how to just take a fucking back seat and let others drive the bus. I don't even know how to apologize anymore.

[Valmy]

There is really no point in apologizing on behalf of other people who aren't sorry.

[derspiess]

Saw a video of a dude with an AR that was getting rushed by rioters, almost like a zombie movie.  They had him on the ground and one rioter went to jump kick him.  Looks like he was a bit panicky with the shots he got off, but I guess his own life was on the line at that point.  Looked like he had been trying to get away from them.

Ugly situation

Or at least felt like his life was on the line, which is probable in a situation like that.

The whole situation is disastrous. Decades of unaddressed problems coming home to roost.

When a guy is trying to stomp your head into the pavement, I think it's safe to say your life is on the line.

[Valmy]

When a guy is trying to stomp your head into the pavement, I think it's safe to say your life is on the line.

Sure.