The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[garbon]

"A few bad apples"

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/57-buffalo-cops-resign-to-support-suspended-officers-who-pushed-down-elderly-man/

57 Buffalo cops resign to support suspended officers who pushed down elderly man

The entire Buffalo Police Department Emergency Response Team — a total of 57 officers — has resigned from the team in support of the two officers who pushed 75-year-old Martin Gugino to the ground, seriously injuring him.

They are still employed, but no longer on ERT.

According to Buffalo Police Benevolent Association president John Evans, the cops who pushed Gugino down were just following orders.

"Fifty-seven resigned in disgust because of the treatment of two of their members, who were simply executing orders," Evans, said in a statement.

This is a developing story. Check WIVB4 for updates.

Jesus Christ. Talk about tone deaf. Circle the wagons!

Fuck them. They lack moral and ethical courage anyway. Moving on.

Actually since they just resigned from the team but are still employed, I think it's time for Buffalo to review how many of them it still needs in the roster.

[11B4V]

"A few bad apples"

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/57-buffalo-cops-resign-to-support-suspended-officers-who-pushed-down-elderly-man/

57 Buffalo cops resign to support suspended officers who pushed down elderly man

The entire Buffalo Police Department Emergency Response Team — a total of 57 officers — has resigned from the team in support of the two officers who pushed 75-year-old Martin Gugino to the ground, seriously injuring him.

They are still employed, but no longer on ERT.

According to Buffalo Police Benevolent Association president John Evans, the cops who pushed Gugino down were just following orders.

"Fifty-seven resigned in disgust because of the treatment of two of their members, who were simply executing orders," Evans, said in a statement.

This is a developing story. Check WIVB4 for updates.

Jesus Christ. Talk about tone deaf. Circle the wagons!

Fuck them. They lack moral and ethical courage anyway. Moving on.

Actually since they just resigned from the team but are still employed, I think it's time for Buffalo to review how many of them it still needs in the roster.

Agree

[Admiral Yi]

"A few bad apples"

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/57-buffalo-cops-resign-to-support-suspended-officers-who-pushed-down-elderly-man/

57 Buffalo cops resign to support suspended officers who pushed down elderly man

The entire Buffalo Police Department Emergency Response Team — a total of 57 officers — has resigned from the team in support of the two officers who pushed 75-year-old Martin Gugino to the ground, seriously injuring him.

They are still employed, but no longer on ERT.

According to Buffalo Police Benevolent Association president John Evans, the cops who pushed Gugino down were just following orders.

"Fifty-seven resigned in disgust because of the treatment of two of their members, who were simply executing orders," Evans, said in a statement.

This is a developing story. Check WIVB4 for updates.

Jesus Christ. Talk about tone deaf. Circle the wagons!

Fuck them. They lack moral and ethical courage anyway. Moving on.

Actually since they just resigned from the team but are still employed, I think it's time for Buffalo to review how many of them it still needs in the roster.

Agree

durka

[Valmy]

You bastards

[Valmy]

You guys need to get rid of the 2nd amendment. It'd take a lot of wind out of the cops sail when they argue "I feared for my life so I shot him".

Well it is almost impossible to get rid of it, but even if we did I doubt it would make that much of a difference with regards to this issue.

[11B4V]

"A few bad apples"

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/57-buffalo-cops-resign-to-support-suspended-officers-who-pushed-down-elderly-man/

57 Buffalo cops resign to support suspended officers who pushed down elderly man

The entire Buffalo Police Department Emergency Response Team — a total of 57 officers — has resigned from the team in support of the two officers who pushed 75-year-old Martin Gugino to the ground, seriously injuring him.

They are still employed, but no longer on ERT.

According to Buffalo Police Benevolent Association president John Evans, the cops who pushed Gugino down were just following orders.

"Fifty-seven resigned in disgust because of the treatment of two of their members, who were simply executing orders," Evans, said in a statement.

This is a developing story. Check WIVB4 for updates.

Jesus Christ. Talk about tone deaf. Circle the wagons!

Fuck them. They lack moral and ethical courage anyway. Moving on.

Actually since they just resigned from the team but are still employed, I think it's time for Buffalo to review how many of them it still needs in the roster.

Agree

durka

A racial slur...how classy.

[Valmy]

You guys need to get rid of the 2nd amendment. It'd take a lot of wind out of the cops sail when they argue "I feared for my life so I shot him".

Yep, only cops should have guns.

It is the only way to keep us safe from the cops

[Admiral Yi]

Well it is almost impossible to get rid of it, but even if we did I doubt it would make that much of a difference with regards to this issue.

My initial reaction was the same, since this is a case of physically subduing a resisting perp and he'd already been patted down, but then I remembered that a number of the incidents right after Ferguson involved the perception or fear of weapons.  I'm thinking specifically of the kid with the toy gun and the austistic black guy and his handler who were sitting down.

But as you said, no chance of repealing the 2nd in our lifetimes.

[Razgovory]

You guys need to get rid of the 2nd amendment. It'd take a lot of wind out of the cops sail when they argue "I feared for my life so I shot him".

Well, I don't think that can be done.  What can be done is for all those left-wing protesters to armed themselves with firearms.  They didn't treat the milita assholes this way, so let's take a page from their book.

[grumbler]

You lead with the police. I don't think I've ever felt supportive of the police. I don't think I've ever been conditioned to support them either.

I don't think any of us would include you in a group like "Americans generally."  Not even you think that you are a typical American.

I think that Valmy is right.  Outside of the inner cities, Americans generally did reflexively support the police and other first responders.  And I think that he is right to note that that support has been badly damaged by cops going rogue all over the place, right in front of the cameras, when cops used to save that shit for the black guys they pulled over at 2:00 AM.

[merithyn]

Proud Boys canoodling with the Salem, Oregon, police.

https://twitter.com/Satellit3Heart/status/1268863536299675648?s=19

[Zoupa]

https://www.france24.com/en/20190501-live-france-may-day-protests-tight-security

More where that came from.

So what?  Zoupa hasn't held up French police tactics as a model to copy.

He's just smug

k.

[grumbler]

You guys need to get rid of the 2nd amendment. It'd take a lot of wind out of the cops sail when they argue "I feared for my life so I shot him".

Well it is almost impossible to get rid of it, but even if we did I doubt it would make that much of a difference with regards to this issue.

You don't need to get rid of it, you just need the USSC to overturn the ten-year-old ruling that overturned 200 years of judicial precedent.  That will happen in our lifetimes.

[grumbler]

Oh, and to beat a dead horse on kneeling:  Were you all OUTRAGED!!!111 at the DISRESPEKT shown to Frodo in this scene?

[Zoupa]

To respond to Yi, about the specific video in question: I don't know, but not that. Not even 10% of that.

Several cops beating the lady repeatedly with batons is just nonsensical when she has no weapons and is no threat. At this point, it just feels like the cops are enjoying it.

What about you? What do you feel would be an appropriate use of force in the video?