The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Admiral Yi]

If the participants are enjoying it they should continue.

[Oexmelin]

It would be the civil thing to do.

Are you trying to police the thread?

[Jacob]

It would be the civil thing to do.

Are you trying to police the thread?

I am not trying to be uncivil, no.

[mongers]

We need another angle (argument over definitions) :

Spaniards here, is your Civil Guard a para-military body, a civilian structure or a straight up armed military organization? 

[Monoriu]

In Hong Kong, the police is part of the civil service.  Within the police department, there are two main kinds of employees.  Police, which is considered a disciplinary service, and "civilians".  Basically generic, non-police, non-disciplinary civil servants who take care of some back office operations like finance, filing, general office administration etc.  The police do explicitly call these folks "civilians".  I guess this heavily implies that they do not consider themselves civilians.  This isn't new.  They simply follow the British tradition. 

[Razgovory]

We need another angle (argument over definitions) :

Spaniards here, is your Civil Guard a para-military body, a civilian structure or a straight up armed military organization?

I honestly don't know.  They are gendarmes, right?  I think that might actually be a military force.

[Duque de Bragança]

We need another angle (argument over definitions) :

Spaniards here, is your Civil Guard a para-military body, a civilian structure or a straight up armed military organization?

I honestly don't know.  They are gendarmes, right?  I think that might actually be a military force.

Guardia Civil is indeed a police force with military status. 

So yes, gendarmes.

[Syt]

[celedhring]

Is the margin of error 23 full percentage points or is it a smaller unit? That's one truly shitty poll if it's the former...

[Syt]

Is the margin of error 23 full percentage points or is it a smaller unit? That's one truly shitty poll if it's the former...

2.3 points:

[Jacob]

To me that indicates that pushing against obvious police excess is a winning issue for Democrats. Most of their voters and independents agree with it, while the GOP are split basically right down the middle.

[Admiral Yi]

To me that indicates that pushing against obvious police excess is a winning issue for Democrats. Most of their voters and independents agree with it, while the GOP are split basically right down the middle.

Sure, if every killing by cop from now on is a Floyd v Chauvin.  Take that video of the shooting of the 13 year old for example.  That's not as clear cut IMO.

[Jacob]

To me that indicates that pushing against obvious police excess is a winning issue for Democrats. Most of their voters and independents agree with it, while the GOP are split basically right down the middle.

Sure, if every killing by cop from now on is a Floyd v Chauvin.  Take that video of the shooting of the 13 year old for example.  That's not as clear cut IMO.

Definitely. Hence the "obvious".

It'll be interesting to see to what degree the GOP can leave Chauvin behind and press on the cases that split the Dem base and unite their own (whichever cases those may be).

[Zoupa]

To me that indicates that pushing against obvious police excess is a winning issue for Democrats. Most of their voters and independents agree with it, while the GOP are split basically right down the middle.

Sure, if every killing by cop from now on is a Floyd v Chauvin.  Take that video of the shooting of the 13 year old for example.  That's not as clear cut IMO.

There's absolutely no need for the Democrats to carefully evaluate each case and react accordingly. I think (and the polls seem to agree) that this is an issue they can hammer the GOP on.

It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy past time Democrats get to fighting dirty.

[Razgovory]

To me that indicates that pushing against obvious police excess is a winning issue for Democrats. Most of their voters and independents agree with it, while the GOP are split basically right down the middle.

Sure, if every killing by cop from now on is a Floyd v Chauvin.  Take that video of the shooting of the 13 year old for example.  That's not as clear cut IMO.

There's absolutely no need for the Democrats to carefully evaluate each case and react accordingly. I think (and the polls seem to agree) that this is an issue they can hammer the GOP on.

It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy past time Democrats get to fighting dirty.

I'm kind of on board with this.  We have been parsing good shootings and bad shootings for years now, and it hasn't done much at all.  Maybe if we assume that all shooting are criminal we can get some movement on this.  I'm just fucking sick of this.