The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Josquius]

I'm just failing to see how anyone can be okay with what's happening in the US re: federal law enforcement refusing to listen to/ignoring state guidance on how to treat their citizens. So far it's Portland. Chicago later this week. Where to next? It sure as hell won't be Houston or Jacksonville. He needs those states.

This is not okay. This is what fascism looks and feels like.

That's fascist supporters for you though. They're totally OK with any rule breaking it as long as its turned against the "right people".

I do wonder on similar crappy treatment in the Texas cities...might that not build support for him there? Giving those city hipsters whats coming, protecting the state, etc....

[merithyn]

I'm just failing to see how anyone can be okay with what's happening in the US re: federal law enforcement refusing to listen to/ignoring state guidance on how to treat their citizens. So far it's Portland. Chicago later this week. Where to next? It sure as hell won't be Houston or Jacksonville. He needs those states.

This is not okay. This is what fascism looks and feels like.

I certainly would not belittle your underlying sentiment (in fact, I agree with it)...but I think it is also import to make it clear that this about the those issues that brought this present federal/local confrontation about.  The comparison won't seem fair, but the bolded bit, in isolation, could easily have been used by segregationists themselves in Little Rock circa 1957...and they likewise would have called it fascism.

But still, you're not wrong.  Use of federal authority had its time and place in enforcing justice and freedom.  Perhaps this time it is something state and local authorities need to assert...and it just that America has turned upside down.

The comparison isn't lost on me, and in fact came to mind even as I typed that.

But in Selma, no one was maced, beaten, or thrown into an unmarked vehicle with unmarked officers and kept for hours without anyone reading their rights.

I'd argue that that's the biggest difference.

[Admiral Yi]

Stop your flailing. You know I'm not calling you a liar, I'm implying that you are holding a ridiculous position, one so comic it must be a sly satire of sorts in your reflexive defense of these exciting new secret police Trump has deployed.

Stop telling me I'll do something I just said I wouldn't and I'll stop flailing.

[jimmy olsen]

Not sure I'd trust Philly police to comply. State police or national guard might be needed

https://mobile.twitter.com/Will_Bunch/status/1285317860299071494

Philly DA Larry Krasner, in statement on Trump possibly sending federal law-enforcement here, said his dad and uncles fought fascism in WWII. "Anyone, including federal law enforcement, who unlawfully assaults and kidnaps people will face criminal charges from my office," he says

[Eddie Teach]

The last thing we need is National Guard battling DHS.

[grumbler]

I don't have any direct evidence of damage to federal property either.  Shall we make it a simple empirical question of damage/no damage?  My stance would change significantly if there were no damage (or the imminent threat of damage).  Would your stance change?

The one Federal building in downtown Portland was fenced off more than a month ago. There is no imminent threat of damage to that building, and hasn't been for over six weeks.

Does that change your stance?

A quick Google says that there are at least five federal buildings in downtown Portland:

Edith Green-Wendell Wyatt Federal Building
Gus J. Solomon United States Courthouse
Mark O. Hatfield United States Courthouse
National Water and Climate Center
Pioneer Courthouse

Which of these is the "one Federal building" you thought was there?  Clearly, the courthouses are not protected by the fencing you mention, because one of them was attacked last night (though only to the extent that the protesters symbolically blocked the doors with fencing).

[merithyn]

I only knew of the Hatfield Building. It's the one that was fenced off. I thought the Pioneer was a state building.

The Wyatt is far from the protests. The Soloman has been untouched. Can't find the National Water and Climate Center. No idea what that is.

[The Larch]

Speaking to reporters at the White House on Monday, Trump identified New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore and Oakland as places in need of federal agents, describing those cities' mayors as "liberal Democrats".

[Sheilbh]

Speaking to reporters at the White House on Monday, Trump identified New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore and Oakland as places in need of federal agents, describing those cities' mayors as "liberal Democrats".

Yeah. He's going to send these forces to cities with Democratic mayors and Democratic governors, because he doesn't really care about protecting federal property. He just wants to gee-up the situation so he can run on "law and order".

[celedhring]

Also, Fox News has just found out that race riots are good for the economy. Keep America Great!

[Tamas]

Surely that's fake.

[Sheilbh]

No. It's a little old though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hgbg7If4Xo

[celedhring]

Surely that's fake.

I found the original clip online. It's legit but a month old.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1269051241306263553

EDIT: Sheilbh'd

[Sheilbh]

On the staunch defenders of federal property, the acting DHS Secretary: "Because we don't have that local support, that local law enforcement support, we are having to go out and proactively arrest individuals, and we need to do that because we need to hold them accountable."

[Oexmelin]

On the staunch defenders of federal property, the acting DHS Secretary: "Because we don't have that local support, that local law enforcement support, we are having to go out and proactively arrest individuals, and we need to do that because we need to hold them accountable."

In other news, Trump still walks free.