The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Another problem is our aversion to having federal standards.  Germany can mandate that all police officers train for 1.5 years, but US cannot, at least not without all the usual paranoia that goes with everything that has "federal" in it.  So pretty much every locality is free to choose whether they want an old geezer insurance executive to go out and play with a gun in exchange for a donation, and it doesn't take many bad apple departments to give all the cops in US a bad name.  And even if some departments do set high standards, like many state police divisions, you're just pushing the bad apples over to some department with lower standards.

Why is there always an assumption (regardless of the subject) that Federal standards will necessarily be better standards?

[Valmy]

Why is there always an assumption (regardless of the subject) that Federal standards will necessarily be better standards?

I don't think it is that so much as dealing with one standard is much more efficient than dealing with 51 different standards. I mean in my wife's company there is a huge segment of the company whose entire function is to sort through 51 different sets of regulations.

But we pride ourselves on our bureaucracy and inefficiency. That gives everything a certain comforting inertia so no tyrannical leader can execute his or her evil plan very quickly.

[DGuller]

Another problem is our aversion to having federal standards.  Germany can mandate that all police officers train for 1.5 years, but US cannot, at least not without all the usual paranoia that goes with everything that has "federal" in it.  So pretty much every locality is free to choose whether they want an old geezer insurance executive to go out and play with a gun in exchange for a donation, and it doesn't take many bad apple departments to give all the cops in US a bad name.  And even if some departments do set high standards, like many state police divisions, you're just pushing the bad apples over to some department with lower standards.

Why is there always an assumption (regardless of the subject) that Federal standards will necessarily be better standards?

Because they usually are.  Especially on average.  Truly especially at improving worst-case outcomes.

[MadImmortalMan]

"Federal Standards" is usually taken as a codeword for "keep the ignorant hicks under control".

But I guess our 51 standard system sort of works. It could be worse. My wife is in the next room right now trying to sort through European VAT regulations.

[Syt]

My wife is in the next room right now trying to sort through European VAT regulations.

My condolences.

[11B4V]

You can only teach so much. If the cop has a fucked attitude, badge heavy, socially retarded, God complex, arrogant, lack of respect for the populace...etc, no amount of training will fix it. He just doesn't need to be a cop. They do have their uses, however.

As an 11B4V?

Nice 

No, I'm pretty good at gab, sorry to disappoint.

[mongers]

You can only teach so much. If the cop has a fucked attitude, badge heavy, socially retarded, God complex, arrogant, lack of respect for the populace...etc, no amount of training will fix it. He just doesn't need to be a cop. They do have their uses, however.

As an 11B4V?

Nice 

No, I'm pretty good at gab, sorry to disappoint.

11B4V, Grumbler was projecting and only highlighting is own weaknesses.

[11B4V]

You can only teach so much. If the cop has a fucked attitude, badge heavy, socially retarded, God complex, arrogant, lack of respect for the populace...etc, no amount of training will fix it. He just doesn't need to be a cop. They do have their uses, however.

As an 11B4V?

Nice 

No, I'm pretty good at gab, sorry to disappoint.

11B4V, Grumbler was projecting and only highlighting is own weaknesses.

He hurt my feelings. Hope it wasn't because I hate that steaming pile of poo,Babylon 5. 

[DGuller]

Oh, come on, B5 isn't that bad.  Yes, in hindsight, what passed of as deep now looks as complicated as a child's cartoon, but it wasn't bad at all for its time.

[Razgovory]

Is it really so hard to believe that a guy named B4 is jealous of B5?  That's like a whole nother "B".

[11B4V]

Is it really so hard to believe that a guy named B4 is jealous of B5?  That's like a whole nother "B".

[Ed Anger]

Bester violated everybody's rights. My hero.

[PDH]

I have reached the conclusion that the police should shoot everybody but me.  Then they all kill themselves.

[Eddie Teach]

I have reached the conclusion that the police should shoot everybody but me.  Then they all kill themselves.

Why do you wish to be punished like that?

[Syt]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/01/27/chicago-police-officer-in-fatal-shooting-of-quintonio-legrier-bettie-jones-files-suit-against-teens-estate/

Chicago Police Officer In Fatal Shooting Of Quintonio LeGrier, Bettie Jones To File Suit Against Teen's Estate

(CBS) –The Chicago Police officer accused of killing 19-year-old Quintonio LeGrier is suing the teen's estate.

CBS 2's Suzanne Le Mignot has the latest developments.

City attorneys were tight lipped leaving the status hearing in the cases of Quintonio LeGrier and Bettie Jones vs. the city of Chicago, but the attorney for the family of Bettie Jones, Larry Rogers, Jr., is talking.

"We've tried to reiterate at every hearing, that we will resist and object to the entry of any protective order, over what we think is the public's information," Rogers said.

So far, Larry Rogers says he's received 43 dash cam videos, mostly showing the scene aftermath. He's also seeking other videos from the area, text messages between Officer Robert Rialmo and his partner from that night and the release of IPRA's file on the case within 45 days.

Jones was shot accidentally by Chicago Police Officer Robert Rialmo. Rialmo was responding to a domestic disturbance involving 19 year-old Quintonio LeGrier, who was also shot and killed by the officer. On that night, LeGrier called 911 three times before police arrived.

Rogers says he's now requesting the names and titles of the dispatchers who took LeGrier's calls.

"For them to hang up on him, we want to know what that call taker was thinking," Rogers said. "How could she possibly think that was the proper way to handle someone who was in need of police assistance?"

Meantime, the attorney for Officer Robert Rialmo, Joel Brodsky, says he'll be filing a counter claim against the estate of Quintonio LeGrier, because LeGrier, attacked the officer. The suit will be filed on the grounds of assault and emotional distress.

LeGrier family attorney, Bill Foutris, calls the move a desperate and baseless attempt to deflect attention from the fact Rialmo shot LeGrier four times in the back without justification.