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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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CountDeMoney

Hey, how many Poles does it take to make an airborne drop?
Three: two to row the boat, and one to toss the ring buoy  nywk, nywk, nywk

Ed Anger

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Martinus

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 08, 2014, 05:04:06 PM
Marti, what's the latest on the Smolensk conspiracy theories? Just...wondering...:mellow:

The thing is in stalemate, with the pro-PiS side going "See, we told you", and the rest being quite relieved that Poland is not ruled by the Kaczynski brothers right now, as otherwise we would probably be launching our "False Putin" expedition into Russia.

Tamas


Syt

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/748714

QuoteDuma speaker urges West not to toe U.S. anti-Russian line
   
MOSCOW, September 9 ./ITAR-TASS/. The leader of Russia's lower house of parliament warned the West on Tuesday against taking the lead from Washington on events in Ukraine.

Speaking at a Russia-Japan forum eyeing points of contact, State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin said Western countries and other Russian partners opting for sanctions had simply backed aggressive U.S. policy. Sanctions broke the hard-won pattern of global economic relations, he said.

"Imposed sanctions triggered violence [in Ukraine] instead of reducing it as the Kiev authorities took them as a reason for boosting their punitive operation in the southeast of the country, resulting in new destruction and numerous casualties," Naryshkin said.

"Even now, when the negotiating process has been resumed and a ceasefire introduced, the situation remains extremely difficult," he added, assessing, however, that common sense would prevail.

"It is high time for our partners to use their brains," Naryshkin said. "Those in power in Washington are hardly capable of that but I believe our other partners should distance themselves from that aggressive policy and think at last that they are sovereign states."

Parliamentarians were disappointed when Japan imposed sanctions against Russia, he said. "Any unbiased onlooker can clearly see that anti-Russian attacks are now co-ordinated in fact from one center, and this center is separated from Russia and Japan by the ocean."

Russia and Japan knew well how difficult it was to build an atmosphere of trust and how painful a lull in co-operation could be, the speaker said, noting that sanctions are an instrument of open and political blackmail unsupported by judicial or United Nations decisions.

"Sanctions, of course, largely violate and sometimes simply break the pattern of international economic relations that need decades to be shaped," Naryshkin said. "Negative effects of sanctions hit directly those who were compelled to impose them," he said.
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Martinus

This, incidentally, is the same guy who was feted just last week by the cheese eating surrender monkeys from the Elysee.

derspiess

Whatever our problems in the US, thank God we're not dependent upon Gazprom.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
Whatever our problems in the US, thank God we're not dependent upon Gazprom.

Lulz, at least BP and Exxon Mobil just rape the environment.

celedhring

I better never tell Marti I'm 25% French.

Ed Anger

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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
Whatever our problems in the US, thank God we're not dependent upon Gazprom.

The French are one of the few European nations who are not right?  With all of their nukes.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Martinus on September 09, 2014, 09:12:19 AM
This, incidentally, is the same guy who was feted just last week by the cheese eating surrender monkeys from the Elysee.

Not that Martinus cares about facts or may understand them, others may though, but actually the Elysee (sic) means the presidential palace where he was nowhere to be seen. Instead, he met the so-called pro-Russia lobby last week : Association Dialogue franco-russe

http://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2014/09/03/la-tres-discrete-visite-parisienne-du-president-de-la-douma-russe_4480963_3210.html?xtmc=russie&xtcr=3

http://www.la-croix.com/Actualite/Monde/Quand-une-dizaine-de-parlementaires-francais-affichent-leur-Poutinophilie-a-Paris-2014-09-04-1201162
From a catholic newspaper, specially for Martinus. :) This link is even more critical of the event than Le Monde. I believe Martinus should understand poutinophilie. Hint: no link with Québec.

QuoteLe président de la Douma, la chambre basse du Parlement russe, Sergueï Narychkine, voyage volontiers et, francophone, aime venir à Paris. Depuis le 21 mars, cependant, ça lui est difficile : ce jour-là, le Conseil européen a ajouté douze noms, dont le sien, à la liste des personnalités russes frappées par des sanctions individuelles à la suite de l'annexion de la Crimée. M. Narychkine, un proche du président Poutine, est désormais interdit de séjour dans l'UE et ses avoirs, s'il en a, y sont gelés.

Que faisait alors M. Narychkine, les 1er et 2 septembre, à Paris ? Lundi, le site officiel de la Douma l'annonce « en visite de travail dans la République française » et affiche une photo du dirigeant russe accueilli à sa descente d'un avion gouvernemental russe. A Paris, il devait, précise la Douma, « rencontrer des parlementaires et des hommes d'affaires ».

Le responsable russe, finira par expliquer le Quai d'Orsay, a été invité par l'Assemblée parlementaire du Conseil de l'Europe (APCE). En tant que pays siège d'une organisation internationale, la France avait donc l'obligation d'autoriser sa présence sur le territoire national – comme elle l'avait d'ailleurs déjà fait le 14 avril, lorsque M. Narychkine avait jugé indispensable de venir célébrer le 60e anniversaire de l'adhésion de l'URSS à l'Unesco, dont le siège est à Paris. Aucune rencontre avec des responsables gouvernementaux français n'a eu lieu.

So, invited by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (nice loophole), Naryshkyn met some 10 French mps from left to right (the usual pro-Putin suspects). No Élysée (proper spelling). A discreet visit, not a State visit.

PS : he was also invited back in 2013 by the President of the French Assemblée nationale, Claude Bartolone, a kind of counterpart for Naryshkin. Guess all French state buildings look alike to Martinus. :D

Caliga

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Syt

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 09, 2014, 12:39:50 PMParliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe

I've seen this pop up in Russian news aplenty during the crisis (esp. when the assembly suspended Russia's membership); it appears that they are the only ones giving a shit about it.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.