Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Tamas]

I am not sure if I have shown this here or not... This guy meant it as a pretty serious song, but quickly become a classic meme in the country:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Vaz9jW054

[Martinus]

I know it's terrible to say, but the dumbass Russian in the Donbas shooting down that airliner was luckiest break we've had.  I think it woke everyone up.

Really? To be honest I have not noticed any "awakening" in the West or any marked change of policy.

The shooting followed a round of sanctions.  Before that most of Europe seemed content to just sit around with their collective thumbs up their asses.

I think you are wrong (could be about how media are reporting this in the West - this is, obviously, a much bigger topic here in Poland) - essentially, my impression is that every time there is an escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, there is a new round of sanctions. From that perspective, since the shooting down of the plane was, obviously, an escalation, there was a new round of sanctions, but there were sanctions before and after that, too, and the ones connected with the plane were not particularly stronger or outstanding.

[Martinus]

Indeed.  The shot down airliner has pretty much disappeared from U.S. news.

If it were a U.S. airliner, there'd be 'Murrica!-laced shit flying all over.  Or at least, Obama would be taking huge amounts of crap from militantly enraged Republicans.

Well, given that the Dutch were the chief victims and their pussy government pretty much refused to make a fuss about it (I guess the best they can do is complain about Polish immigrants, but they are too much of cowards to defend their citizens being murdered) so I think everybody else sorta thought they do not have a horse in this race.

[CountDeMoney]

The unfortunate reality of it is that there were simply not enough Americans on board.

[mongers]

So the evidence is now pretty clear that significant regular Russian forces are fighting inside the Ukraine.

Time I think to close the thread and start another, or just re-title this one ?

[Martinus]

According to media reports, two Ukrainian ships have been sunk by Russian military airplanes.

Also, an Ukrainian officer has apparently been tortured to death on youtube by separatists.

[The Brain]

Forced to watch endless unboxing videos?

[Phillip V]

Do Russians purchase and hang these pics in their homes?

[Martinus]

The French actually are subhuman. Evidence no. 32511: http://www.sudouest.fr/2014/08/26/ukraine-des-francais-combattent-aux-cotes-des-pro-russes-1652081-4803.php

[mongers]

Watching a AJ report from the town/village of Starobeshve (sp?), three captured Ukrainian conscripts were interviewed, one said their unit came under intense artillery bombardment and 80% of their number were killed within the first 10 minutes; not sure that's the sort of firepower and co-ordination the rebels are capable of mustering. 

[celedhring]

The French actually are subhuman. Evidence no. 32511: http://www.sudouest.fr/2014/08/26/ukraine-des-francais-combattent-aux-cotes-des-pro-russes-1652081-4803.php

We have two crazies fighting for them too. Communists, even.

[Tamas]

Watching a AJ report from the town/village of Starobeshve (sp?), three captured Ukrainian conscripts were interviewed, one said their unit came under intense artillery bombardment and 80% of their number were killed within the first 10 minutes; not sure that's the sort of firepower and co-ordination the rebels are capable of mustering. 

Depends on the hardware shop on their corner.

[Syt]

http://rt.com/news/184236-lugansk-donetsk-kiev-talks/

At talks in the Belarusian capital, the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics have urged Kiev to acknowledge their autonomy within Ukraine, but said they wish to remain an integral part of the country.

Of course they want to stay part of Ukraine. Much easier to stir up shit that way.

[Josquius]

The French actually are subhuman. Evidence no. 32511: http://www.sudouest.fr/2014/08/26/ukraine-des-francais-combattent-aux-cotes-des-pro-russes-1652081-4803.php

We have two crazies fighting for them too. Communists, even.

Anti-fascists....fighting FOR the Russians?
They're not doing it right.

[Tamas]

Submissive homosexuals have always been fascinated by the reckless aggression of the Russian state. Nothing new here.