Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-26

[Tamas]

Wasn't that long ago we were talking about finding an exit strategy that Putin can swallow. Now we're talking about how much land to give him. [sigh]

And unless the Ukrainians are in a more desperate situation than the public is being let known, it's hard to see why they'd agree to a conditional surrender where the condition granted to them is that their whole country will not be occupied right now, only later when Russia has been given the chance to regroup.

[Legbiter]

Wasn't that long ago we were talking about finding an exit strategy that Putin can swallow. Now we're talking about how much land to give him. [sigh]

Yeah these are the same reheated russian max demands since 2022. The burgers have given the Ukrainians some kind of deadline to accede to Shitkopfs plan but the Europeans are starting to strangle this brainfart and the russians have not actually formally accepted the plan. Just staggering breakdown of state capacity and general incompetence on part of the Americans.

[Jacob]

So apparently the Russian Duma has rejected Trump's farcical peace plan, saying only total victory is acceptable.

[Syt]

So apparently the Russian Duma has rejected Trump's farcical peace plan, saying only total victory is acceptable.

[Valmy]

So apparently the Russian Duma has rejected Trump's farcical peace plan, saying only total victory is acceptable.

Well that doesn't mean anything. What authority does that toothless body have?

[Valmy]

Wasn't that long ago we were talking about finding an exit strategy that Putin can swallow. Now we're talking about how much land to give him. [sigh]

Yeah these are the same reheated russian max demands since 2022. The burgers have given the Ukrainians some kind of deadline to accede to Shitkopfs plan but the Europeans are starting to strangle this brainfart and the russians have not actually formally accepted the plan. Just staggering breakdown of state capacity and general incompetence on part of the Americans.

Not really that staggering. Just normal.

[Grey Fox]

So apparently the Russian Duma has rejected Trump's farcical peace plan, saying only total victory is acceptable.

Well that doesn't mean anything. What authority does that toothless body have?

Authority, none. But, what they say is what the Kremlin wants to say but doesn't.

[Zoupa]

Looking more and more likely that Witkoff is compromised.

Senator Mike Rounds:

"Secretary Rubio did make a phone call to us this afternoon. I think he made it very clear to us that we are the recipients of a proposal that was delivered to one of our representatives. It is not our recommendation, it is not our peace plan. It is a proposal that was received. And as an intermediary, we have made arrangements to share it. And we did not release it. It was leaked. It was not released by our members or our representatives... This is an opportunity to receive it and that it has been utilized and delivered to the Ukrainians, and that they will have an opportunity to respond. And in doing so, you now have one side being presented and the opportunity for the other side to respond."

Fucking amateurs. This is active measures 101.