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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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Tonitrus

If we want to be serious about isolating Russia, why not implement a full trade embargo on everything and close the borders? 

Zanza

Economic interdependence means that just stopping everything would create so much economic pain in other European countries that the sanction regime would not be politically sustainable. A good sanction is one that hurts Russia but is sustainable for the West.


DGuller

Some Russian war correspondent visited the Wagner command post, and posted pictures of himself with the Wagner guys on Telegram.  Ukrainian military bombed the command post shortly after with HIMARS, as the background in the pictures contained enough information to precisely locate them. 

What was in the background that was so distinctive?  The sign on the building with its full address.

Tonitrus

And rumors that Prigozhin may have been visiting that place.

As with all such rumors, gotta keep plenty of salt handy, but a massive coup if it ends up being true.

Tamas

The example of this guy seems to show Zelensky standing his ground and growing up to his role in history did bolster the country's resistance:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/aug/14/yevhen-pronin-if-we-do-not-kill-them-they-can-kill-our-children


QuoteLike many Ukrainians, Pronin signed up for the army immediately after the invasion, amid fears his country could be overrun in days. "Emotionally I'm in a stable place. But February 25 I was in a bad situation. The Russians were 10 minutes from my home and I remember my girlfriend crying. And then I opened [Volodymyr] Zelenskiy's Instagram and he said: 'Don't give me a ride, give me weapons'. And I was shocked. And I think every Ukrainian decided then that we would start fighting." Before the war, he had flown drones for fun, so he asked his military leader whether he could use those skills in war. He was quickly given a harsh induction into the brutal realities of war as Russian soldiers closed in on Kyiv.

jimmy olsen

https://mobile.twitter.com/pptsapper/status/1559284480296321024
QuoteThis is what happens when you DON'T DISMOUNT INFANTRY OR SAPPERS TO CLEAR AHEAD OF YOU

good lord
QuoteThe crew of a Russian BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicle decides to take the safest route - right between two previously destroyed Russian BMP-1AM and BMP-2 in Yakovlivka, #Donetsk Oblast - and surprisingly they blow up on an anti-tank mine.
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jimmy olsen

Looks like this hit an important strategic target

https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1559427909349146624
Quote from: English Luhansk@loogunda#Dzhankoy district, occupied Crimea: fires and detonations
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1559445970533892103[

Quote from: @PhillipsPOBrienAfter the attack on the Saki airbase last week, which was just as far behind Russian lines, the Russians should have understood the Ukr had a capacity for such operations (be it SF, home grown missiles, UAVs, etc). If they did improve security, didnt matter it seems.

Also, the attack is in the exact place to damage rail lines leading from Crimea into Kherson and Melitopol--as well as an electricity substation. An obvious, very high priority target that the Ukrainians have hit and the Russians could not protect.


There was a lot of supplies there

https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1559472417910710272

Quote from: @na_intelVideo taken recently at the Russian ammo and MRLS systems next to the rail line at Dzankhoy.

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

Berkut

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Legbiter

Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2022, 08:50:49 AMI am trying to figure out how that is better....

:lol:

Our S-400's are not totally useless against HIMARS and Tochkas, the Ukrainians can't actually pierce our air defenses, all Ukrainian successes are just due to careless smokers or on-site sabotage.
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Jacob

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"It's not that the Ukrainians are good, it's that we're really really shit" :lol:

EDIT: though apparently Ukraine says the explosion was due to a unit operating behind enemy lines.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2022, 08:50:49 AMI am trying to figure out how that is better....

Sabotage suggests to me disaffected residents of Crimea.  The claim would bolster the case for domestic crackdowns.

Josquius

Quote from: Jacob on August 16, 2022, 09:52:45 AM"It's not that the Ukrainians are good, it's that we're really really shit" :lol:

EDIT: though apparently Ukraine says the explosion was due to a unit operating behind enemy lines.

I do wonder though.
If such a unit exists where is the value in mentioning it like so?
If it doesn't then isn't there value about getting Russia paranoid and wasting resources searching for it?

Though I suspect partisans with a elite specialist or two.
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Berkut

Quote from: Jacob on August 16, 2022, 09:52:45 AM"It's not that the Ukrainians are good, it's that we're really really shit" :lol:

EDIT: though apparently Ukraine says the explosion was due to a unit operating behind enemy lines.
If it is true that there are units operating behib their lines, you would want them to believe the explosion came from any other source, like a HIMAR strike.

If you do not, then having them believe that you do would be awesome. They won't defend against further strikes, and instead spend their efforts chasing down non-existent special ops teams. Could be tough on the civilians though.
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