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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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garbon

Quote from: Jacob on May 04, 2022, 02:13:23 PMTwo things on that article:

1) I believe CityAM is Daily Mail affiliated paper, which speaks to the journalistic standard (though I do really appreciate the last line "When approached by City A.M., no one at the Kremlin was available to comment." :D ).

2) There's no guarantee that whoever may replace Putin won't be worse.

Google suggests Metro is affiliated with the Daily Mail.

City AM is a competitor of Metro.
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Berkut

Quote from: Jacob on May 04, 2022, 02:13:23 PMTwo things on that article:

2) There's no guarantee that whoever may replace Putin won't be worse.
Putin is bad enough that statistically speaking, the odds of someone worse seem pretty low.
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Barrister

Quote from: Berkut on May 04, 2022, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 04, 2022, 02:13:23 PMTwo things on that article:

2) There's no guarantee that whoever may replace Putin won't be worse.
Putin is bad enough that statistically speaking, the odds of someone worse seem pretty low.

This is the Russian FSB we're talking about.  I don't think it's that low.

You could always get someone in power who thinks Putin was being too cautious in running the war...
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Berkut

OK, I guess we should just hope Putin stays in power forever then.
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Barrister

Quote from: Berkut on May 04, 2022, 02:37:25 PMOK, I guess we should just hope Putin stays in power forever then.

I didn't say that.  I think I'd be prepared to take my chances with a new guy.
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PJL

Putin will most likely survive, but it could increase the chance that he wants something out of the war soon. Given the assault on the steelworks in Mariupol, this suggests he could be planning some sort of victory announcement by the 9th. It would also seem more likely that Russia will not be mobilising for a more general war.

Barrister

Given how he's already declared victory in Mariupol once alread, I can totally see him doing it again May 9 more generally, but then still keep fighting.
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The Brain

The Putin regime is a completely standard Russian regime. It's authoritarian, brutal, and militarily aggressive. That's just how Russian regimes are, going back many centuries. There is no reason to suspect that its successor will be better or worse.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Jacob on May 04, 2022, 02:13:23 PM1) I believe CityAM is Daily Mail affiliated paper, which speaks to the journalistic standard (though I do really appreciate the last line "When approached by City A.M., no one at the Kremlin was available to comment." :D ).
City AM isn't associated with the Daily Mail. It's part of a competitor group.

Although British media groups do not necessarily have a coherent party line. The Daily Mail group also owns, say, the New Scientist, iNews and a fleet of local papers. Same with the Mirror Group which owns the Mirror, the main left/Labour tabloiod, and the Express, which is the most unhinged right-wing tabloid (plus loads of locals) :lol:

City AM is mainly business/financial news and probably broadly on the right. But it's not, I imagine, particularly well-sourced in Russia and any article that starts "rumours are swirling" is probably not to be relied on too much :P
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Barrister

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 04, 2022, 03:51:21 PMCity AM is mainly business/financial news and probably broadly on the right. But it's not, I imagine, particularly well-sourced in Russia and any article that starts "rumours are swirling" is probably not to be relied on too much :P

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I think I must have said at least three different ways how dubious the story was!
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Sheilbh

Oh no criticism of you at all. It's not reliable, but not because of its group structure - UK media companies are generally out to make money so will have a diverse range of quality and politics within one group.
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Barrister

Commander of Azov regiment says Russian troops have broken into Azovstal, fighting is going on inside.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1521954177181757441

The way in may have been betrayed by a staff member of Azovstal/

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1521910170040901638
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celedhring

Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2022, 04:01:19 PMCommander of Azov regiment says Russian troops have broken into Azovstal, fighting is going on inside.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1521954177181757441

The way in may have been betrayed by a staff member of Azovstal/

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1521910170040901638

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Jacob

Quote from: garbon on May 04, 2022, 02:23:17 PMGoogle suggests Metro is affiliated with the Daily Mail.

City AM is a competitor of Metro.

I stand corrected :)