Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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Tamas

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 03, 2024, 12:18:23 PM
Quote from: Tamas on July 03, 2024, 02:01:04 AM
Quote from: Josquius on July 02, 2024, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 02, 2024, 03:47:43 PMIn a perverse sense it makes some sense, if you rule your country like you play Victoria 3.  People are renewable resource: no matter how comfortably they live, they still die at some point.  Borders are a little more permanent, especially in the nuclear age.  Spending resources on something temporary, like people, is the true waste, unless it somehow helps you with getting permanent gains.

I've not played Victoria 3 yet.
It's such a change to 2 that the optimal way to play isn't a mad dash towards social democracy?

Social democracy is still superior but due to the strength and vested interests of influence groups such as the nobility, passing reforms can be very challenging, you have to grind their power down piecemeal. I think within some limits, with some countries it is a viable strategy to maintain the old order and grab the bonuses that's giving you.

right. If your package of starting laws is pretty good, then there is more flexibility.  If your starting law package sucks - e.g. traditionalism, isolationism, serfdom/slavery, etc.  - then it becomes the priority to beat down the influence of the Landowners ASAP and that usually means going in a social democratic or at least liberalizing direction.

Yes except it's much harder to achieve that than in vicky2

Josquius

Bad news at the minute with Ukrainian airfields keep being hit destroying their planes.
You'd think after so many years they'd have figured out how to hide their planes better.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/07/03/for-a-third-day-in-a-row-russian-drones-and-rockets-struck-a-ukrainian-airfield-hitting-priceless-aircraft/
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crazy canuck

You should have read the article you posted.  It explains the problem.

QuoteIt's an air defense crisis. Normally, the Ukrainians would protect their most important bases with layers of surface-to-air missiles. But the Ukrainian air force and army are struggling to simultaneously cover cities, major troop concentrations and front-line bases such as the Mirgorod, Poltava and Dolgintsevo airfields.

It's apparent that, in prioritizing air cover for the cities, the Ukrainian armed forces have left their airfields less protected. The Russian drone that surveilled Poltava was visible to everyday Ukrainians on the ground for three hours before the Iskander missile struck. Clearly, no one had any way of shooting it down.

Josquius

How does this in any way mean I haven't read it?
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Josquius on July 04, 2024, 07:29:48 AMHow does this in any way mean I haven't read it?

Because you claimed they had enough time to figure out how to hide their aircraft.  Fact is they have never hidden them, and I am not sure what that even means. Instead they have always protected their fighters with anti-missile systems.


Josquius

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-use-wwii-tactic-defend-against-ukrainian-drone-strikes-2024-7?amp

Well this sounds ill advised. Surely you just spend an extra drone to blow up the balloon?
The risks aren't the same with drones and manned aircraft

Quote from: crazy canuck on July 04, 2024, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Josquius on July 04, 2024, 07:29:48 AMHow does this in any way mean I haven't read it?

Because you claimed they had enough time to figure out how to hide their aircraft.  Fact is they have never hidden them, and I am not sure what that even means. Instead they have always protected their fighters with anti-missile systems.



If they knew those would be moved other options should have been looked at.
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Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Admiral Yi

Let's invoke article whatever.  I'm ready.

The Brain

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2024, 02:15:29 AMLet's invoke article whatever.  I'm ready.

I don't think killing NATO is great move just now.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

viper37

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 12, 2024, 02:15:29 AMLet's invoke article whatever.  I'm ready.
Article 5.

I've been ready since day 1.  I'm not the one on the front line, though.  Members of my family will be affected though, even if not in the infantry. :(


I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Josquius

Not quite sure I'm ready for WW3.
But certainly a heavy push- Western Ukraine is now a NATO no-fly zone, pass all plans through us if you plan to put any planes or missiles through there or they'll be shot down, k thnx.
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Grey Fox

I'm ready. There's hacking to be done too.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

PJL

Yeah, I'm all for it, if the alternative is Trump getting re-elected. Better to go out with a bang then to descend into a dictatorial world and the death of democracy.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Syt on July 12, 2024, 01:51:58 AMReports that US and Germany foiled Russian plan to assassinate the CEO of Rheinmetall:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/11/us-reportedly-foiled-russian-plot-to-kill-boss-of-german-arms-firm-supplying-ukraine
I'd expect a lot more of this - I think this is how Russia will escalate (not nukes). See also the arson attacks and sabotage in the UK and Spain of warehouses and factories with material for Ukraine.

Again I think from a Russian pov Ukraine has no agency so all the sabotage missions Ukrainian intelligence is doing in Russia is actually authorised and enabled by the West - so this is just the same. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Russia (and, in fairness, Ukraine) try to start using the organised crime networks in their countries and internationally as part of the war policy.
Let's bomb Russia!

frunk

Quote from: Sheilbh on July 12, 2024, 10:26:40 AMI also wouldn't be surprised to see Russia (and, in fairness, Ukraine) try to start using the organised crime networks in their countries and internationally as part of the war policy.

I would be very surprised if this wasn't already being done.