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Josquius

Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2022, 06:40:55 AMHilarious if true:

QuoteRussia probably firing  stock of long-range missiles.


My suspicion is that they are not shooting missiles designed as nuclear warhead-carriers as decoys, I think there's something like a daily/weekly quota of missiles strikes to be made based on official stockpiles, but a significant portion of the official stockpile's budget went into some high-ranking officer's dacha.

Looks like denuclearisation is back on the table.
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Syt

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mongers

Quote from: The Brain on November 28, 2022, 08:53:05 AM
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Quote from: Syt on November 28, 2022, 03:16:29 AMRussian recruitment poster.
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She really would do anything for money.

Who is the woman depicted?

Porn actress Sasha Grey.

Thanks, and as you or someone else said up thread, the graphic artist was doing a naughty.  :)
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Tamas

On the upcoming NATO summit, the Ukrainian Foreign Minister will be visiting, but Hungary has blocked them from attending actual meetings, they'll only attend the dinner event(s). :bleeding:

I hope the Hungarian FM gets sit next to them as well as Finland and Sweden. Beside Turkey, Hungary has also been delaying ratification of their NATO membership.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Tamas on November 29, 2022, 08:01:16 AMOn the upcoming NATO summit, the Ukrainian Foreign Minister will be visiting, but Hungary has blocked them from attending actual meetings, they'll only attend the dinner event(s). :bleeding:

I hope the Hungarian FM gets sit next to them as well as Finland and Sweden. Beside Turkey, Hungary has also been delaying ratification of their NATO membership.

At leest they're open about it. The Belgian greens have been blocking export licenses for materials needed to keep Ukrainian equipment running, while claiming to support Ukraine.

OttoVonBismarck

Update on some economic troubles facing Russia:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/26/russia-war-economy-military-supply/

QuoteWestern sanctions catch up with Russia's wartime economy
By Catherine Belton and Robyn Dixon
November 26, 2022 at 2:00 a.m. EST

When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched last month a new council for coordinating supplies for the Russian army, he seemed to recognize the scale of the economic problems facing the country, and his sense of urgency was palpable.

"We have to be faster in deciding questions connected to supplying the special military operation and countering restrictions on the economy which, without any exaggeration, are truly unprecedented," he said.

For months, Putin claimed that the "economic blitzkrieg" against Russia had failed, but Western sanctions imposed over the invasion of Ukraine are digging ever deeper into Russia's economy, exacerbating equipment shortages for its army and hampering its ability to launch any new ground offensive or build new missiles, economists and Russian business executives said.

Recent figures show the situation has worsened considerably since the summer when, buoyed by a steady stream of oil and gas revenue, the Russian economy seemed to stabilize. Figures released by the Finance Ministry last week show a key economic indicator — tax revenue from the non-oil and gas sector — fell 20 percent in October compared with a year earlier, while the Russian state statistics agency Rosstat reported that retail sales fell 10 percent year on year in September, and cargo turnover fell 7 percent.

"All objective indicators show there is a very strong drop in economic activity," said Vladimir Milov, a former Russian deputy energy minister who is now a leading opposition politician in exile. "The spiral is escalating, and there is no way out of this now."

The Western ban on technology imports is affecting most sectors of the economy, while the Kremlin's forced mobilization of more than 300,000 Russian conscripts to serve in Ukraine, combined with the departure of at least as many abroad fleeing the draft, has dealt a further blow, economists said. In addition, Putin's own restrictions on gas supplies to Europe, followed by the unexplained explosion of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, has led to a sharp drop in gas production — down 20 percent in October compared with the previous year. Meanwhile, oil sales to Europe are plummeting ahead of the European Union embargo expected to be imposed Dec. 5.

The Kremlin has trumpeted a lower-than-expected decline in GDP, forecast by the International Monetary Fund at only 3.5 percent this year, as demonstrating that the Russian economy can weather the raft of draconian sanctions.

But economists and business executives said the headline GDP figures did not reflect the real state of the Russian economy because the Russian government effectively ended the ruble's convertibility since the sanctions were imposed. "GDP stopped having any meaning because firstly we don't know what the real ruble rate is, and secondly if you produce a tank and send it to the front where it is immediately blown up, then it is still considered as value added," said Milov, who wrote a report explaining the situation for the Wilfried Martens Centre for European Studies published this month.

Deeper problems were also lurking in the Russian banking sector, where most accounting has been classified. The Russian Central Bank reported this week that a record $14.7 billion in hard currency was withdrawn from the Russian banking system in October, amid increasing anxiety over mobilization and the state of the economy.

Even so, a November report by the Central Bank warned that Russia's GDP would face a sharper contraction of 7.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2022, after falling 4.1 percent and 4 percent compared with last year in the previous two quarters. Last week, as the Russian economy officially entered into recession, Central Bank Chairwoman Elvira Nabiullina told lawmakers that next year the situation could get darker still. "We really need to look at the situation very soberly and with our eyes open. Things may get worse, we understand that," she said.

Putin's announcement in September of a partial troop mobilization dealt an enormous blow to business sentiment. "For many Russian companies the reality of the war sank in," said Janis Kluge, senior associate at the German Institute for Security and International Affairs. "It became clear that this is going to continue for a long time. Now expectations are much worse than they were over the summer."

Putin's creation of the coordination council, headed by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, was a sign the Russian president is rattled by the increasing impact of sanctions, economists and analysts said. Putin "is concerned he needs to interfere to make sure supplies will be available," said Sergei Guriev, provost at France's Sciences Po. "He is concerned that sanctions have really hit the ability to produce goods."

It also signals the Russian government is preparing a broader mobilization of the Russian economy to supply the army amid chronic shortages of basic goods such as food and uniforms. New laws will impose hefty fines on business executives who refuse to carry out orders for the Russian military, as well as potential prison sentences, clearing the way for entrepreneurs to be pressured into providing goods at knockdown prices. The creation of the council is "connected to big pressure on business and the need to enforce a tough diktat to make business do what it doesn't want to do," said Nikolai Petrov, senior research fellow for Russia and Eurasia at Chatham House in London.

One Moscow businessman with connections to the defense sector said a quiet mobilization of the Russian economy had already been long underway, with many entrepreneurs forced into producing supplies for the Russian army but fearing to speak out against orders at cut-price rates.

"This became necessary right from the very beginning when the war began," the businessman said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal. "The main mass of business is silent. If you say you are making supplies or weapons for the Russian state then you could have problems abroad."

As Putin escalates war, some in Russia's business elite despair

Anecdotal evidence reported in the Russian press has pointed to enormous problems supplying Russia's newly drafted conscripts with equipment. An in-depth October report in Russian daily Kommersant described huge shortages in ammunition and uniform supplies for conscripts, with manufacturers citing difficulties securing the necessary materials due to sanctions.

Other Russian business executives said Russia's military debacle in Ukraine had exposed the huge inefficiencies and corruption in Russia's military industrial complex. "There are huge questions over where all the trillions of rubles of the past decade have been spent," said one former senior Russian banker with connections to the Russian state.

If the new economic council fails to better coordinate the production of supplies and weaponry, it could impinge on Russia's ability to launch new offensives in Ukraine, Petrov said. "The main problem ahead of the Kremlin is the question of when the army will be ready to begin new military action in Ukraine, and the preparation of arms and ammunition and so on will determine these plans."

The outlook appears likely to worsen when the E.U. embargo on Russian oil sales comes into force Dec. 5, economists said. Combined with a price cap expected to be imposed on all sales of Russian oil outside the E.U., the measure could cost the Russian budget at least $120 million in lost revenue per day, Milov said, and already the Russian budget is expected to rack up a deficit by the end of this year.

This sort of confirms what the cooler heads knew back when the war started--the immediate claims that sanctions were going to "destroy" the Russian economy in short order were very overblown (and in fact had little relationship with reality.) However, there was also a robust understanding by those in the know that such sanctions, if they became long term, would have unavoidable and potentially generational effects for the Russian economy, not just in the immediate supply issues it is now facing but in their progression as an economy. The longer the war goes on the longer there is a risk the economic effects spiral into a long lasting decline of Russia's economy and power, that could take a generation or more to rebound.

celedhring

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A letter bomb has detonated at the Ukrainian embassy in Madrid. Apparently low grade homemade stuff, one employee has been injuried. Letter was adressed to the ambassador.

Valmy

QuoteAnecdotal evidence reported in the Russian press has pointed to enormous problems supplying Russia's newly drafted conscripts with equipment. An in-depth October report in Russian daily Kommersant described huge shortages in ammunition and uniform supplies for conscripts, with manufacturers citing difficulties securing the necessary materials due to sanctions.

Other Russian business executives said Russia's military debacle in Ukraine had exposed the huge inefficiencies and corruption in Russia's military industrial complex. "There are huge questions over where all the trillions of rubles of the past decade have been spent," said one former senior Russian banker with connections to the Russian state.

If the new economic council fails to better coordinate the production of supplies and weaponry, it could impinge on Russia's ability to launch new offensives in Ukraine, Petrov said. "The main problem ahead of the Kremlin is the question of when the army will be ready to begin new military action in Ukraine, and the preparation of arms and ammunition and so on will determine these plans."

The outlook appears likely to worsen when the E.U. embargo on Russian oil sales comes into force Dec. 5, economists said. Combined with a price cap expected to be imposed on all sales of Russian oil outside the E.U., the measure could cost the Russian budget at least $120 million in lost revenue per day, Milov said, and already the Russian budget is expected to rack up a deficit by the end of this year.

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: celedhring on November 30, 2022, 01:20:55 PMA letter bomb has detonated at the Ukrainian embassy in Madrid. Apparently low grade homemade stuff, one employee has been injuried. Letter was adressed to the ambassador.

Bizarre. Way too amateurish to be something done by the Russians. Some far right nut?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2022, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: celedhring on November 30, 2022, 01:20:55 PMA letter bomb has detonated at the Ukrainian embassy in Madrid. Apparently low grade homemade stuff, one employee has been injuried. Letter was adressed to the ambassador.

Bizarre. Way too amateurish to be something done by the Russians. Some far right nut?

That would be my first guess.

Russia, for all it's bluster about "being at war with NATO", has been pretty careful to not extend the war to any NATO countries in any way.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2022, 01:52:12 PMRussia, for all it's bluster about "being at war with NATO", has been pretty careful to not extend the war to any NATO countries in any way.
Although it's killed people in Berlin and the UK in the last five years. I don't think they'd stop that type of operation just because of what's going on in Ukraine.

But I agree it doesn't feel like Russia - I can't see why they'd attack any particular Ukrainian embassy or diplomat and I'd trust them to put a bomb together successfully.
Let's bomb Russia!