Libertarian Fascists for Mother Russia

[DGuller]

In the least surprising news ever, Ron Paul supports Russia. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-defends-russia-malaysian-151731466.html.  This may be personal bias talking, but I'm not surprised that "libertarians" are in bed with the fascists.  Mainly because old school "libertarians" like Ron Paul became "libertarians" because federal government finally cracked down on fascism at home.

[Tamas]

I am a libertarian and I hate what Russia is doing 

[Maximus]

I am a libertarian and I hate what Russia is doing 

But you're a libertarian, not a Libertarian. In the US at least, those are opposites.

[Berkut]

In the least surprising news ever, Ron Paul supports Russia. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-defends-russia-malaysian-151731466.html.  This may be personal bias talking, but I'm not surprised that "libertarians" are in bed with the fascists.  Mainly because old school "libertarians" like Ron Paul became "libertarians" because federal government finally cracked down on fascism at home.

And you wonder why you get blasted so often for tribalistic bullshit.

"Libertarians" are not defined by whatever the dumbest, kookiest thing you can find some libertarian saying. Any more than Republicans are defined by Sarah Palin, or Democrats by Michael Moore.

Libertarians became libertarians because the government cracked down on fascism?

Are you really this fucking insane?

[Ed Anger]

[derspiess]

In the least surprising news ever, Ron Paul supports Russia. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-defends-russia-malaysian-151731466.html.  This may be personal bias talking, but I'm not surprised that "libertarians" are in bed with the fascists.  Mainly because old school "libertarians" like Ron Paul became "libertarians" because federal government finally cracked down on fascism at home.

Uh, interesting take. 

Anyway, I'm pretty sure it comes from the isolationist element of libertarianism, where you don't want the bad guys to look quite so bad because you don't want to increase the chances of intervening.  Plus I think he also made the point that he thinks our actions have somehow destabilized the region (and that it would be better off without us getting involved).

[Razgovory]

In the least surprising news ever, Ron Paul supports Russia. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-defends-russia-malaysian-151731466.html.  This may be personal bias talking, but I'm not surprised that "libertarians" are in bed with the fascists.  Mainly because old school "libertarians" like Ron Paul became "libertarians" because federal government finally cracked down on fascism at home.

And you wonder why you get blasted so often for tribalistic bullshit.

"Libertarians" are not defined by whatever the dumbest, kookiest thing you can find some libertarian saying. Any more than Republicans are defined by Sarah Palin, or Democrats by Michael Moore.

Libertarians became libertarians because the government cracked down on fascism?

Are you really this fucking insane?

Dguller has a point.  There are libertarians like you, who actually believe in liberty and libertarians who want to weaken the Federal government because they want to shift power from national elites to the local elites.  By happy coincidence they happened to be the local elites. These are the "states rights" libertarians.

[grumbler]

And you wonder why you get blasted so often for tribalistic bullshit.

"Libertarians" are not defined by whatever the dumbest, kookiest thing you can find some libertarian saying. Any more than Republicans are defined by Sarah Palin, or Democrats by Michael Moore.

Libertarians became libertarians because the government cracked down on fascism?

Are you really this fucking insane?

Stand by to be told that there is something wrong with you because you disagree with Gully's point. 

I would note that, really, the big difference between DGuller and Paul isn't political, but simply that Paul is willing to admit that he might be wrong:

"Of course it is entirely possible that the Obama administration and the US media has it right this time, and Russia or the separatists in eastern Ukraine either purposely or inadvertently shot down this aircraft," he wrote.

[DGuller]

And you wonder why you get blasted so often for tribalistic bullshit.

I don't wonder why you or grumbler claim that.  I have a pretty good idea why you do that.

"Libertarians" are not defined by whatever the dumbest, kookiest thing you can find some libertarian saying. Any more than Republicans are defined by Sarah Palin, or Democrats by Michael Moore.

I have seen enough libertarians on the Internet constantly reference RT articles that I feel comfortable drawing a generalization beyond just one kook like Ron Paul.

Libertarians became libertarians because the government cracked down on fascism?

Are you really this fucking insane?

You missed both "old school" qualifier, as well as the intentional quoting.  I don't really think that John Birch Society is in any way truly libertarian, hence the quotes.  Yes, I do think that a lot of people started to claim being libertarian when the federal government cracked down on Jim Crow, and they didn't much care for it.  The younger libertarians drafted in obviously fit a different mold, but to some extent they do inherit some positions from the old farts without knowing the motivations for those positions.

[Jacob]

And you wonder why you get blasted so often for tribalistic bullshit.

"Libertarians" are not defined by whatever the dumbest, kookiest thing you can find some libertarian saying. Any more than Republicans are defined by Sarah Palin, or Democrats by Michael Moore.

Libertarians became libertarians because the government cracked down on fascism?

Are you really this fucking insane?

There does seem to be a strain of US libertarianism that has a hard on for strong men like Putin and who seem pretty selective in the way they apply their freedom loving. Ron Paul is one such. It is a funny kind of libertarianism.

[Eddie Teach]

Dguller has a point.  There are libertarians like you, who actually believe in liberty and libertarians who want to weaken the Federal government because they want to shift power from national elites to the local elites.  By happy coincidence they happened to be the local elites. These are the "states rights" libertarians.

Those kind of folks generally call themselves libertarian in addition to, but not in preference to conservative.

[Berkut]

Yeah, I've considered his post, and clearly he is right - libertarians are really just fascists. That is the only possible conclusion for anyone thinking clearly about what the term means, and what the people who describe themselves as "libertarian" believe.

[derspiess]

Speesh: nice try to defend the guy, but that was a dumbass comment by Paul.

I wasn't defending him; just explaining what I think motivated his comments.

[DGuller]

Yeah, I've considered his post, and clearly he is right - libertarians are really just fascists. That is the only possible conclusion for anyone thinking clearly about what the term means, and what the people who describe themselves as "libertarian" believe.

Are you really this fucking insane?  The big part of why you and grumbler keep calling me tribal, aside from it being your favorite empty insult, is that you do a really good job at reading what you want to read, and not what was actually written.

[Berkut]

Yeah, I've considered his post, and clearly he is right - libertarians are really just fascists. That is the only possible conclusion for anyone thinking clearly about what the term means, and what the people who describe themselves as "libertarian" believe.

Are you really this fucking insane?  The big part of why you and grumbler keep calling me tribal, aside from it being your favorite empty insult, is that you do a really good job at reading what you want to read, and not what was actually written.

Right, I am sure you mean something else entirely when you trotted out how libertarians came about because of the feds cracking down on fascism, and how you "aren't surprised" that libertarians are in bed with fascists.


Not that you aren't surprised Paul is in bed with fascists, but libertarians in general - Paul is, of course, typical of "libertarians".


Of course, you got one part right - this is just your personal, and well known, bias speaking.