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Edge of Tomorrow: Best Sci-Fi flick evah

Started by Siege, June 25, 2014, 09:05:50 AM

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Syt

Quote from: FunkMonk on June 25, 2014, 10:10:44 AM
To be fair, I felt the characters deserved to have a happy ending after dying hundreds of times so the schmaltzy Hollywoodness of the ending seemed fitting to me.

Yeah, I thought that it would have been fine to quit after the final battle, but I thought after all they've been through (even though only Cruise and Blunt remember what was going on) they deserve a bit of a happy end.
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Neil

Quote from: Syt on June 25, 2014, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 25, 2014, 10:10:44 AM
To be fair, I felt the characters deserved to have a happy ending after dying hundreds of times so the schmaltzy Hollywoodness of the ending seemed fitting to me.

Yeah, I thought that it would have been fine to quit after the final battle, but I thought after all they've been through (even though only Cruise and Blunt remember what was going on) they deserve a bit of a happy end.
And really, only Cruise remembers what's going on.  She keeps finding out every day for the first time.  I'm glad they didn't go hard on a love story.
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Syt

Quote from: Neil on June 25, 2014, 11:29:07 AM
And really, only Cruise remembers what's going on.  She keeps finding out every day for the first time.

That's true, but she's the only one who'll understand is what I meant.

But yeah, not having the damsel in distress as mentioned in the article, and the love arc hinted at rather than front and center was great. And it made sense that he reaches a point where he kinda snaps because he's gotten to know her so well but can't bear to see her killed time and time again. (Again, something she'll understand.)
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—Stephen Jay Gould

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FunkMonk

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Siege



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

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Siege

The aliens though, are a copy from Orson Scott whatever's Enders Game.
There is only one thinking/self-aware alien and everybody else are cells of the central organism.
I think is more pausible if you look at it from a biotech point of view and see them as wi-fi connected to the central server.

By the way, in the book the Omega is called a Server, the Alphas are Antenae, and I forgot what the grunts were called.



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


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Siege



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Syt

Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
There is only one thinking/self-aware alien and everybody else are cells of the central organism.

Well, it's a narrative device that's supposed to explain why the heroes have to fight their way through hordes of enemies on the way to the Big Bad, but once that Big Bad is defeated, it immediately solves the problem and destroys all baddies.

It's a way to get around having to mop up all the millions of aliens afterwards.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Siege

Quote from: Syt on June 25, 2014, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
There is only one thinking/self-aware alien and everybody else are cells of the central organism.

Well, it's a narrative device that's supposed to explain why the heroes have to fight their way through hordes of enemies on the way to the Big Bad, but once that Big Bad is defeated, it immediately solves the problem and destroys all baddies.

It's a way to get around having to mop up all the millions of aliens afterwards.

Of course.
My point was Enders Game is the first instance in which this type of alien is used, in which it meant humans lost a lot of people while the aliens lost only one.

From a technological point of view, it makes sense to me to build a biomechanical army with individual grunts having narrow AIs connected through a wi-fi-like sytem to a strong AI in charge of the whole expedition. Of course, this doesn't mean they will all "die" when the strong AI is destroyed. Pretty sure aliens or future humans would use back-up systems, and narrow AIs would have to be tactically self-sufficient since the laws of warfare dictate the first target would be to sever the wi-fi connection to the strong AI by EMP, some sort of jamming, or some type of virus. I would say destuction of the strong AI would mean the collapse of strategy level planning and support, but whatever is happening on the tactical level will keep going until drone/grunts are destroyed or they run out of power.




"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


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Siege

By the way, in the book the aliens are not an invading force, but rather a terraforming biomachine sent to terraform Earth to the needs of an alien race that did not bother to check if the planet was inhabited. They eat soil and release poisonous gas to transform the atmosphere. Humans of course attacked, and the alien machine started to build weapons.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Siege

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2014, 12:34:08 PM
Starship Troopers had brain bugs.

The book? I don't rememeber if they were all controlling like in Enders Game.
I remember the character of Flores was a man, and all the pilots were females, all the infantry were males.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Admiral Yi

The film for sure.  Can't remember if the book did or not.