Staind singer stops concert to demand audience members stop ‘molesting’ teen

[The Brain]

Why was he looking at an underage girl?

[grumbler]

There is a pretty dramatic difference between accidentally touching somebody and groping them.

And there is a pretty dramatic difference between being smart and indulging in crowd surfing.  I especially loved the fact that Lewis moronically told the crowd, "Now, girls, feel free to crowd-surf safely."  That's like telling them to "feel free to play Russian Roulette safely."

I am not necessarily against crowd surfing, but I am opposed to the pretense that it can be done safely.  It is by its nature somewhat dangerous (both to dignity and physical well-being)..

[derspiess]

There is a pretty dramatic difference between accidentally touching somebody and groping them.

In the context of crowd surfing?  Would it really be that noticeable?

[Caliga]

Noticable enough that the lead singer from Stained apparently saw it from stage.

[Valmy]

There is a pretty dramatic difference between accidentally touching somebody and groping them.

In the context of crowd surfing?  Would it really be that noticeable?

I crowd surfed back when I was younger and lighter and people grabbing and squeezing my junk was pretty noticeable compared to just grazing it

[Caliga]

Stern was talking about this this morning and claimed people were 'fingering' her... not sure how he got that information.

[Grey Fox]

That's that Blonde Rapper from Australia's fault. Lizzy, Izzy.

Girls shouldn't crowd surf.

[merithyn]

It must be quite difficult to not accidentally touch a young woman inappropriately in such a melee.

I think it would be best to ban underage, if not all women from the activity, if there's the risk of anonymous intentional sexual molestation or just accidental touching they're not happy with.

Crowd surfing happens usually face up. If someone is groping, it's intentional.

And yes, rather than telling the men to stop acting like assholes, instead let's just tell women they can't do it. 

[derspiess]

Crowd surfing happens usually face up. If someone is groping, it's intentional.

Even groping the butt?  That seems almost unavoidable. 

And yes, rather than telling the men to stop acting like assholes, instead let's just tell women they can't do it. 

Maybe you can do both?  Tell the guys to stop copping a feel, and tell the girls the most effective way to avoid being groped while crowd-surfing is not to crowd surf. 

[garbon]

That's that Blonde Rapper from Australia's fault. Lizzy, Izzy.

Girls shouldn't crowd surf.

Iggy Azalea?

[garbon]

Crowd surfing happens usually face up. If someone is groping, it's intentional.

Even groping the butt?  That seems almost unavoidable. 

And yes, rather than telling the men to stop acting like assholes, instead let's just tell women they can't do it. 

Maybe you can do both?  Tell the guys to stop copping a feel, and tell the girls the most effective way to avoid being groped while crowd-surfing is not to crowd surf. 

Where do we draw the line? Should girls also not attended crowded concerts as they could be grouped while standing in a crowd?

[grumbler]

Where do we draw the line? Should girls also not attended crowded concerts as they could be grouped while standing in a crowd?

Let's draw the line at "don't undertake activities which will force strangers to deliberately handle your body."  Seems easy enough.

[Grey Fox]

That's that Blonde Rapper from Australia's fault. Lizzy, Izzy.

Girls shouldn't crowd surf.

Iggy Azalea?

Right!

[Valmy]

Maybe you can do both?  Tell the guys to stop copping a feel, and tell the girls the most effective way to avoid being groped while crowd-surfing is not to crowd surf. 

That is different than saying they shouldn't crowd surf.  Just, you know, crowd surfing with all those drunk and stoned people that generally are at concerts with crowd surfing carries with it certain risks.

However once you go down that road then suddenly the criminal is not responsible but the victim for some stupid reason.  I prefer to keep the responsibility on the people who do the dirty deed no matter how much the victims put themselves in a position to be preyed upon.  Besides going to a concert and not being able to crowd surf for fear you are going to be groped is sort of fucked up when you think about it.

[Valmy]

Where do we draw the line? Should girls also not attended crowded concerts as they could be grouped while standing in a crowd?

Let's draw the line at "don't undertake activities which will force strangers to deliberately handle your body."  Seems easy enough.

So we are saying it is the child's fault for being illegally molested and not the adults?  That strikes me as where one would go with this.