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The Turn of the Screw

Started by Savonarola, May 28, 2014, 09:36:07 AM

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In "The Turn of the Screw" by Henry James:

The governess is insane
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The governess is insane and the ghosts are real
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The governess is sane and the ghosts are not real
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I haven't read "The Turn of the Screw"
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grumbler

Quote from: Josephus on May 30, 2014, 05:50:11 AM
I took a course in English lit in second year uni and a course in American lit in third year. We did Henry James in American lit. All I'm saying.

Next time don't say it using the :contract: smiley unless you want to offend people by implying that they are stupid for not knowing how your university breaks down English-language literature.  All I'm saying.
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Savonarola

Quote from: Josephus on May 30, 2014, 05:50:11 AM
I took a course in English lit in second year uni and a course in American lit in third year. We did Henry James in American lit. All I'm saying.

I've seen TS Eliot in British compilations.  Henry James also lived most of his life in the United Kingdom and also became an British subject.  James, though, did write about the American experience; so it would make more sense to put him as an American writer. 

(Though as a self-loathing American, he was practically Canadian.   :()

;)
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Savonarola

Quote from: celedhring on May 30, 2014, 04:13:39 AM
In Spain, "Spanish lit" courses include readings from both sides of the pond.

Are their courses that are specific to new world literature and peninsular literature in Spain?  If so how are they called?
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Sheilbh

Quote from: Savonarola on May 30, 2014, 08:21:01 AMI've seen TS Eliot in British compilations.  Henry James also lived most of his life in the United Kingdom and also became an British subject.  James, though, did write about the American experience; so it would make more sense to put him as an American writer. 

(Though as a self-loathing American, he was practically Canadian.   :()

;)
Yep. Think you can argue for James or Eliot as British and American literature (I'd say Eliot seems a far bigger deal over here).
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on May 28, 2014, 10:01:55 AM
I've never finished reading anything by Henry James. -_-

He can be tedious.

Sheilbh

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 28, 2014, 10:01:55 AM
I've never finished reading anything by Henry James. -_-

He can be tedious.
He can be nigh on unreadable.

But he can be very good and, if you've not read it, I really recommend The Master by Colm Toibin.
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Norgy

Henry James was definitely among those I had to read in American lit. Some short story. The Jungle, I think.
Strangely enough, no Poe, but Ralph Waldo Emerson was required. Herman Melville too, albeit just Bartleby The Scrivener, which I enjoyed a lot.

celedhring

Quote from: Savonarola on May 30, 2014, 08:25:31 AM
Quote from: celedhring on May 30, 2014, 04:13:39 AM
In Spain, "Spanish lit" courses include readings from both sides of the pond.

Are their courses that are specific to new world literature and peninsular literature in Spain?  If so how are they called?

In general, the way literature is taught here is by breaking it down into periods "Spanish Golden Age", "XXth Century", etc... that include authors from all parts of the Spanish-speaking world. There are, however, specialty courses that usually go under the "Spanish-American literature" moniker.

Have in mind that a continuous body of Spanish-American literature didn't really appear until the XIXth century, and boomed in the XXth century, while Spain-Spanish literature has declined somewhat in the same period. So when you study Spanish lit you have all the great authors in Spain, and then the colonies become independent and suddenly all the great authors start coming from there. It's sort of organic, and given our relatively small population compared to America it makes sort of sense. Why study literature from Spain as separate from the SA literature, and not Mexican literature as separate from Chilean or Argentinian one?

Josephus

Quote from: Norgy on May 31, 2014, 05:13:29 AM
Henry James was definitely among those I had to read in American lit. Some short story. The Jungle, I think.
Strangely enough, no Poe, but Ralph Waldo Emerson was required. Herman Melville too, albeit just Bartleby The Scrivener, which I enjoyed a lot.

Sounds like my course...we did Emerson and his buddy, Thoreau, read Melville's Bartleby as well as James...but we also did a fair bit of Poe as well.
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Savonarola

Quote from: Norgy on May 31, 2014, 05:13:29 AM
Henry James was definitely among those I had to read in American lit. Some short story. The Jungle, I think.
Strangely enough, no Poe, but Ralph Waldo Emerson was required. Herman Melville too, albeit just Bartleby The Scrivener, which I enjoyed a lot.

I read "Bartleby  the Scrivener" in high school.  Our teacher was from the 60s.  He thought the big mystery in the story was Bartleby's behavior; and that was caused by an unfulfilling job at meager wages.  The man had kept Bartleby down.

After reading it again years later (and being from the 90s) I think the mystery in the story is why the lawyer puts up with Bartleby for as long as he does.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

The Brain

Do you guys study Swedish Lit?
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Josephus

Quote from: The Brain on May 31, 2014, 02:14:31 PM
Do you guys study Swedish Lit?

all mystery novels, isn't it? ;)
Civis Romanus Sum<br /><br />"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." Jack Layton 1950-2011

The Brain

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Josephus

and Pippi, of course, can't forget Pippi.
Civis Romanus Sum<br /><br />"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." Jack Layton 1950-2011

grumbler

Quote from: Josephus on June 01, 2014, 07:01:18 AM
and Pippi, of course, can't forget Pippi.
Not after he helped save Faramir!
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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