Tories flirt with heresy

[Razgovory]

I don't think Tamas likes anything that smells of environmentalism, which he regards as a religion.

It seems to be a religion for some.

Yes, to the people who don't like it.

[Valmy]

I don't think Tamas likes anything that smells of environmentalism, which he regards as a religion.

It seems to be a religion for some.

Pollution seems to have much more tangible results than other religion's sins.  Maybe this is the one true religion at last?

[derspiess]

I don't think Tamas likes anything that smells of environmentalism, which he regards as a religion.

It seems to be a religion for some.

Yes, to the people who don't like it.

  Come on, Raz.  Stop being childish.

[Sheilbh]

He also said his party would change the law within six months of winning the 2015 election so all onshore wind farm applications would be handled by local planning authorities.

At present large projects in England and Wales are dealt with under the "nationally significant infrastructure" planning regime.

So they want to give the same councils whose nimbyism means we have a housing shortage control over windmill applications too.

It's typical. The Tories don't like any development or infrastructure, no matter how useful, built in their areas. HS2 goes over the Chilterns. Heathrow may be at capacity but that's less important than mortgages in South-West London. Fracking's a great opportunity for the 'desolate north', but a bit more difficult in the Sussex Downs

We need to be far more dirigiste about this and just build our new nuclear powerplants, windmills, high speed rail lines and airways wherever they need to go

Edit: Also housing

Well, here in the UK, it seems you are not allowed to market pretty much anything without claiming it was produced with renewable energy, and/or being freerange. You just don't.

I think you're reading far too much into marketing bumph.

So, saying that there is such thing as too much money spent on renewables seemed like a brave stance.

How is this brave? There's about 30 people who really care about building more windmills and they all work for the Guardian. But there's a strong, organised opposition to it among Tories. It's craven.

[Razgovory]

I don't think Tamas likes anything that smells of environmentalism, which he regards as a religion.

It seems to be a religion for some.

Yes, to the people who don't like it.

  Come on, Raz.  Stop being childish.

I'd say the vast majority of people who claim environmentalism is a religion are opposed to the idea of environmentalism.

[mongers]

None of it is the least bit surprising is it, Shelf ?

We're what, 14 months off an election and the Tories are tapping into any Nimbyist/Daily Mail friendly prejudice they can find, in an effort to sure up their vote and stop is leaking away to UKIP and the consequent post-election confusion. 

[MadImmortalMan]

A Lib Dem source accused the party of pandering to its right wing.

The source said the Tories were trying to stop voters turning to UKIP.

Presumably, that source thinks tories going over to ukip is a good thing?

[Ed Anger]

Gregor Eisenhorn will deal with them.

[Kleves]

Gregor Eisenhorn will deal with them.

[Capetan Mihali]

There's about 30 people who really care about building more windmills and they all work for the Guardian.

I hate to pile onto the Guardian, and I know she only usually writes for CiF, but you know who I can't stand?  Laurie Penny.   Sometimes I read things from New Statesman, where she really is on staff, and inevitably bump into her pieces, and she's almost seems like a right-wing plant in how irritatingly she conveys her pseudo-left perspective.

[Eddie Teach]

I'd say the vast majority of people who claim environmentalism is a religion are opposed to the idea of environmentalism.

But the majority of people who treat it as one are probably more favorable. (And considerably fewer in number /shrug)

[Razgovory]

I'd say the vast majority of people who claim environmentalism is a religion are opposed to the idea of environmentalism.

But the majority of people who treat it as one are probably more favorable. (And considerably fewer in number /shrug)

I'm not sure exactly what that means.

[derspiess]

I'd say the vast majority of people who claim environmentalism is a religion are opposed to the idea of environmentalism.

I bet you would.

[Valmy]

There's about 30 people who really care about building more windmills and they all work for the Guardian.

I hate to pile onto the Guardian, and I know she only usually writes for CiF, but you know who I can't stand?  Laurie Penny.   Sometimes I read things from New Statesman, where she really is on staff, and inevitably bump into her pieces, and she's almost seems like a right-wing plant in how irritatingly she conveys her pseudo-left perspective.

I follow her on twitter.  I don't remember why or how but I do enjoy it.

[Gups]

None of it is the least bit surprising is it, Shelf ?

We're what, 14 months off an election and the Tories are tapping into any Nimbyist/Daily Mail friendly prejudice they can find, in an effort to sure up their vote and stop is leaking away to UKIP and the consequent post-election confusion.

Although in fairness, HS2 has its second reading next week.